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and the margin is always the center so

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he was referring to like pop culture

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with madonna and all this sort of stuff

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like anything that

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madonna is popularizing is always coming

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from the margin that somehow then seems

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to be in the center

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and then as soon as it gets too popular

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then people want to push it back to the

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margin and somehow call it fringe but in

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it's all in consciousness i would say

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not a memory champion though i only ever

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had one competition

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in that competition i came second so

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although you know i did get what is

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called the warrior of the mind emblem

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for outstanding contributions to

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global mental literacy from tony buzan

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who created the world memory

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championships so

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that uh is its own

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triumph so to speak

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because i just came from this is my

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so don't worry i'm here with you for as

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long as you're willing to spend some

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and i also don't have the question see

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most of the time what i do is a

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prodigious amount of research and it's

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as if i'm on a boat and i'm heavily

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i have notes not printed in front of me

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and check my notes occasionally but i

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thought that in the spirit of this

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in the spirit of what you're about which

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is how about we

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float freely in the waters let the

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universe take us where it may

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i thought how about let this

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conversation take us or it may

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or please allow it anthony why don't you

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tell the audience a little bit about

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where you

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journey so that's maybe you're around

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teenager late teens or so

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what you're

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ideological i don't like to use that

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word ideology but

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for the sake of using a word that

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people believe they understand your

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ideological disposition at the time and

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then how it changed and where you are

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well i don't normally talk about the

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i was pretty much a depressed

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poetic kind of musician kid who skipped

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school as much as possible to smoke weed

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and drink beer and play with my band and

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for the singer to sing and

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my earliest experiences really were of

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being a just dropping out of high school

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and reading the encyclopedia i didn't

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read it page for page but we had this

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old colliers encyclopedia encyclopedia

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yeah and i just went through that

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from beginning to end you know again not

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every single page but it was just the

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most amazing experience and i used to

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uh to pretend that i was going to school

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uh peter sawsky was alive at the time

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and you were in toronto or you were

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this is in british columbia oh

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so i was in salmon arm which is

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some nowhere place

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yeah if you see me go like this

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that's because for the people listening

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or watching this

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there's a bit of a delay because

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anthony's in australia if i'm correct

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yes right and i'm in toronto and so

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all of this gets edited out eventually

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podcast but for now it's going to be

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messy and i forgot to ask you to record

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your audio if you don't mind doing so

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it's recording okay great great just

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your own audio your instructions yes

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yeah thank you man thank you i'm sorry

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to rudely interrupt if you don't mind

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no not at all yeah so i wasn't in

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toronto yet but i was in salmon arm even

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silver creek which is outside of salmon

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arm this very nowhere place

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and uh listening to peter zoski and he

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would bring in the most amazing guests

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that gave me far more of an education

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graduate with my friends even though i

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all the books that she had she was a

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professor at york actually

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distinctly remember what it was but i

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political science that was going to be

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the school newspaper editing writing

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stories and so forth and i met i think

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campbell that was right glenn clark

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i interviewed him and i thought within

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three minutes i never want anything to

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politicians and so i went and changed my

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degree to english literature and um

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yeah but why what was it about what was

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modulating of what's going on and yeah

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that time it was just the first time

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where that puts me ideologically i don't

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philosophy and was really into

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people like don delillo in literature

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whatever that means

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embracing of a lot of different chaotic

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elements going on in the world and not

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getting too involved in any of them so

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based on some sort of rational basis

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okay so then what happened so you're in

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it took you

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itinerancy and your choices to what you

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precisely want but

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yeah well

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basis and i didn't want to go to

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university part-time i don't know why it

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report card and i tore it up i was

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which was in literature of course why

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time i was in front of my friends in the

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band and

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we were sharing each other's report

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cards and they all had bad grades and i

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heard i had this a and they're like what

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are you doing or whatever but i i

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remember touring it up as a sort of

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theatrical thing to do

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it means to be this nihilist rock person

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yeah i mean it

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it was 1993 well i graduated

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uh i was supposed to graduate 95 so i

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graduated in 96 but

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this grade it was like nine inch nails

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pretty hate machine hate everybody hate

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yourself hate success

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and all the bands i followed if they

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bootstrapped fugazi kind of

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indie do-it-yourself people then they

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were somehow anti-establishment or

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at least they were preaching that

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you know later you investigate this and

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there's a lot more corporate interest in

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it than you thought at the time but um

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you know what i noticed

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about you mentioned when you were

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interviewing someone i forget the

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person's name glenn maybe it was some

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political science person and then you

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realized they had this pretext or a

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there are these artists nowadays ever

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since

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kurt cobain but kurt cobain was genuine

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if you watch kurt cobain he's authentic

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in his

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distaste for culture and his distaste

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for

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values

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of a certain kind he was a nihilist in

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some ways he was there's this

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romanticization of nihilists in

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pop culture in popular music that has

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grown ever since kurt cobain you've even

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see it with artists nowadays with

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i don't remember who but you just look

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at the music videos and you see how

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they're singing like

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like like they're trying not to sing

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like they're trying to

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appear like they're not trying

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and i see it as false nihilism i see it

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as a facade as well because they're

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admiring what it's like to be a nihilist

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or more particularly they admire what

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being a nihilist a popular nihilist gets

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you someone like i don't know this

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person's name dua lipa or lipa duo

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people in the comments section can

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correct me i'm not familiar with modern

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music but that's something i see it's

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not just

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politicians that have this masquerading

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it's it's all of us it's me it's

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something i was i saw in a as i was

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watching an interview with someone named

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chris williamson i'm pretty sure some

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he's a has a famous

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a fairly famous podcast he was

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interviewing someone who

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i forget her name

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pamela or

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has two p's whatever it doesn't matter

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she studies high performers

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right when you watch her speak you get

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the sense that you're not speaking to

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the person when i'm speaking to you

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right now i get the sense that i am

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speaking to you that you're being

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genuine you can tell because someone

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trips over their words someone is

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pausing as they think someone is like

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yourself someone is laughing at

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at different moments in their own story

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someone is

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hiding and recoiling from the parts that

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they're embarrassed about like

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subconsciously rather than a

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manufactured appearance and when i was

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watching chris interview

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her let me get her name not to

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not to berate her but she has the same

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quality even though she is completely

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apolitical as far as i could see she's

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the same quality of politicians and i

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dislike that

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yeah that's another reason why i'm

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speaking to you completely off the cuff

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sorry not completely off the cuff i do

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have some notes but

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why i've made one page of notes rather

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than 10 pages compared to the usual

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guest because i wanted to freely float

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in this stream of

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uncertainty with you

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let me get that person's life just so i

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can move on

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yeah well i'll just say that

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that pretense is

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is deeply alarming and i think it's

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deeply alarming to culture as such even

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if people don't realize it uh

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you see it in

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time

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but

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when you since you mentioned cobain i

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mean

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he gave one of the greatest gifts in one

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of his

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interviews where he was just being

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himself and they're asking him what he

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reads and he said that he read

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patrick suskin's

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perfume

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which is a novel that's very much about

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this you know this

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crazy person who can't stand the stench

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of things

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and

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perfume right right right that's

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interesting

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which is a highly

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interesting novel to read and it's a

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very good novel and

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this is this is where i think the

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question gets super interesting because

389
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here's cobain who you know

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where is he is he an ils is he pop

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culture is he anti-pop culture

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what is this sort of thing and he's

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reading a

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deeply

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cultured

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german novel translated in english i

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would assume but you know suskin is not

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a lightweight or you know some

399
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vagabond novelist right turns out he's

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highly cherished and you know top

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top-notch blue ribbon in europe etc and

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um

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you you can

404
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really see the the collapse i think in

405
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a lot of

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this sort of pretense i'm not i don't

407
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know exactly what i'm trying to get to

408
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but one thing that comes to mind is when

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i was a kid in kamloops british columbia

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we were between

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seattle and calgary basically or

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vancouver and calgary but

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you know the a lot of bands came through

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and they would stop and one of them was

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green day

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was the most amazing thing ever

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and we had no idea that one day they

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were going to do this album called

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dookie and become this

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international

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smash hit we had no idea it was just

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some band called green day a couple of

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the kids had the shirt we all remembered

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because the drummer

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had bounced his sticks off the floor tom

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and was doing all these stunts and it

427
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just was the most memorable concert i

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think they played with

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roll cage which was a local band etc

430
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years later everybody's like oh they

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sold out but we saw them when they were

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real and all this sort of stuff and my

433
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question at that time was well and i'm

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you know

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blue but it's not really blue and i'm

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already a philosophical

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sort of oriented individual and i it

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rubbed me the wrong way that people

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would say we saw these guys when they

440
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were real but now that they have massive

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radio play and they're on you know

442
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the music video all the time now that's

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somehow not real

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and

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later if i skip forward to university

446
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in toronto i was i loved the poetry

447
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scene there you know screaming high park

448
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was the most amazing thing to go to

449
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during those years and seeing guys like

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steve mccaffrey and christian book uh

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doing poetry readings and whatnot

452
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in toronto

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there would you'd always hear these

454
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people talking about

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how that they were masters of the craft

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and then they would

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with their

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creative writing you know salaries

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berate

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people like stephen king as garbage and

461
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uh

462
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because he was successful

463
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:07,600
yeah and i came up with this theory

464
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called craft

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and it was spelled

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c-r-a-p-h-t right and uh it's like crap

467
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:15,440
they're just calling

468
00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:17,920
all of this successful stuff

469
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crap because it succeeds

470
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and then you look at stephen king and he

471
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,720
has this amazing quote somewhere he's

472
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like if you've ever sold a piece of

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writing and then taken that money

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and used it to pay the electricity bill

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then i call you talented and so there's

476
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like this war going on but

477
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,519
you know who is it that's that's

478
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doing the complaining in this war and so

479
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:43,040
forth and it's usually some sort of

480
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:46,000
nietzschean slave morality where

481
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that you know

482
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:49,199
this or that is less real or this or

483
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:51,040
that is less genuine or this is that is

484
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less authentic and when you listen to

485
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the people who are making these claims

486
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i'm not saying that this is always the

487
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case but it seems usually to be coming

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from people who have some sort of

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invested interest

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in

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for these people

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to vent their

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hatred or their anger or their jealousy

494
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:14,959
or their envy or whatever it is and

495
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that's like that's the deep sickness

496
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here

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that that i see in all these sorts of

498
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issues because

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if there's no free will and if life is

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as chaotic as it appears to be

501
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,400
these people who become successful don't

502
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have nearly as much choice in it as it

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seems

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and it's it's not as if they could have

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said i'm going to be successful one day

506
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i'm going to sell out that's my plan it

507
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just doesn't make any sense and um

508
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,360
our filters now somehow call it garbage

509
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:47,280
because it's successful where does that

510
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,440
filter come from what's the survival

511
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,840
mechanism here anyway that's kind of

512
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just ripping on you mentioning kurt

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cobain but

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it's almost like a lot of these people

515
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get into this success and they they

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00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,919
themselves hate it you know because they

517
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:04,000
didn't choose it they didn't want it and

518
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um

519
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:09,280
that was certainly true of kurt cobain

520
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he couldn't bear his own success

521
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:13,520
but there are other people i think who

522
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:15,760
balance it quite healthy in with quite a

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bit of health you know they managed to

524
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see the game for what it is and they're

525
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like yeah

526
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,440
you know inflation is real and uh i

527
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better make some investments and

528
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:27,200
you know

529
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:29,039
build a boat around myself as much as

530
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possible because the success isn't going

531
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:32,559
to last but i like the comfort i have

532
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,240
now and so forth and you just see all

533
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,160
kinds of people playing all kinds of

534
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,200
games and some play it well some play it

535
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,520
less well some play it with an artist

536
00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:43,840
ideology others play it with some other

537
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:45,919
thing but they they gotta play you're

538
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,520
forced to play it and uh

539
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,280
i don't know it i've always found that

540
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,440
interesting anyway so pretense

541
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:55,679
i think that there's pretension in all

542
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:57,520
kinds of areas and it may have some

543
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,120
biological filter it may have some

544
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,559
nature nurture

545
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,880
complex going on but i don't think it's

546
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:07,200
as simple as you know

547
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:09,679
nihilism in kurt cobain's case

548
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,080
maybe but i i think it's i think that

549
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,760
the issues are pretty

550
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:15,840
pretty deep and and rich to sift and

551
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,919
sort and screen through

552
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,360
there's a certain kind of speech that

553
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,360
politicians definitely have something

554
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,280
that even though i'll get excoriated for

555
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,640
mentioning this something that donald

556
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,400
trump doesn't have because donald trump

557
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,640
speaks off the cuff and you can tell

558
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,240
as much as people dislike him and as

559
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,240
much as whatever he says can be

560
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,240
abhorrent at least you get the feeling

561
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,080
that he's

562
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,080
you know i'll get crit critiqued for

563
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:39,840
this as well i wouldn't even say that

564
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,960
he's speaking from the heart because

565
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:42,960
there is there's plenty of what he says

566
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,919
that is opportunistic and

567
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,600
manipulative as well but there's a

568
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,840
different kind of speech that trump has

569
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,000
than someone like

570
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:55,120
kamala harris camilla harris now

571
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,400
i'm not getting political i don't care

572
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,880
about the politics right now i'm merely

573
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,480
i'm merely stating that

574
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,000
the feeling that you got from

575
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:04,240
interviewing that politician and then

576
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,440
saying i don't want to be like that

577
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,120
that isn't just in politicians now i

578
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:11,120
managed to get the lady's name and i

579
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:14,320
don't mean to put this lady on the spot

580
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,240
but i also don't like when you know when

581
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,720
sometimes people have stories that like

582
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:20,000
they give a story about a person then

583
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:21,120
you're like i wish i knew who they were

584
00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:22,640
talking about but they don't

585
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,160
well i'm gonna say who i'm talking about

586
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,679
there's this person named chris williams

587
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,200
williamson now i like him actually

588
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:29,039
personally he's a podcaster but he

589
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,039
interviewed someone named paulina

590
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:33,120
pompliano the reason i'm saying this is

591
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,400
i would like some

592
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,240
people who are watching this podcast to

593
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,360
watch his podcast with her now i i see

594
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,679
paulina pompliano she's not speaking

595
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:43,760
about anything political as far as i can

596
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,240
tell but she still has that same

597
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,880
distancing feeling from

598
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,240
from her speech

599
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,760
in the sense that you don't you don't

600
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:53,280
feel like she speaks like that when

601
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,559
she's not on camera you don't feel like

602
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,159
you're getting to talk to her you feel

603
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,480
like she has her talking points and you

604
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:00,559
can see it in the way that someone

605
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:06,549
maybe because i've been doing podcasts

606
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,520
all day

607
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:09,600
i was talking in my previous podcast

608
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:10,400
that

609
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,760
the reason why i pause so often and i

610
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,760
look down and i look up and i close my

611
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,000
eyes and it's because i'm i'm i'm trying

612
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,000
to think

613
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,799
whatever

614
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,720
you say often thoughts occur to me but

615
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,360
they're often contradictory and so when

616
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,720
you ask me a question not that you ask

617
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:30,000
me a question right now but when you do

618
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:31,280
ask me a question or when i have

619
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,559
something to say i'm fighting with

620
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,000
myself to make sure that what i'm saying

621
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,520
is

622
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,159
genuine that i'm not

623
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,640
that i'm not putting on a

624
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,640
that i'm not manufacturing my speech in

625
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,640
order to give a certain appearance and

626
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,640
that it is what i mean that it is what i

627
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,440
think and that it's i try his best to be

628
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,840
as loving as i can now that's like

629
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,360
who can do that man that's actually

630
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,440
extremely extremely difficult to be

631
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,960
loving it's talking to someone they're

632
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,120
like oh no loving is easy no loving is

633
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,760
hard loving is extremely hard because to

634
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,840
love if you truly loved you would be

635
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,480
like jesus you'd be like buddha man

636
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,120
so much of what we say comes from

637
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,360
self-hate and hatred of others i also

638
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,120
wonder how much of hatred of others is

639
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:15,039
is purely self-hate that's something

640
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,480
else i'm exploring we can explore that

641
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,320
you probably thought about that quite a

642
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,600
bit

643
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:21,360
either way i'm mentioning that person's

644
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,960
name paulina pompliano because i want

645
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,720
people i'm requesting some help for

646
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,640
people to look at chris williamson's

647
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,240
interview with her and to help me

648
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,400
articulate what is it about the way that

649
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,200
she speaks that is inauthentic she could

650
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:37,200
be completely authentic i could be wrong

651
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,720
but i see the same

652
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,240
characteristic in her that i see in

653
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,640
politicians like kamala harris and even

654
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,400
joe biden and even

655
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,720
for sure hillary clinton and even

656
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,280
not obama obama was genuine at least i

657
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,960
think so he had much more of a genuine

658
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,679
character whatever that's my little rant

659
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:57,360
please i'm requesting some help whenever

660
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,480
you get the chance people who are

661
00:23:02,950 --> 00:22:59,919
watching

662
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:02,960
look at that okay now that i'm done my

663
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,080
little spiel do you mind continuing

664
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,480
about yours trajectory

665
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,679
i'm interested in these things you're

666
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,200
saying i don't know the

667
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,640
the reference that you're making to this

668
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,720
uh interview but

669
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,640
it is true that there's a lot of

670
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:19,280
performativity and trained performance

671
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:20,159
and

672
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:25,520
goes on in real time

673
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,799
what interests me though is how you

674
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,840
bring buddha and jesus into this and you

675
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:30,960
know

676
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,760
people right we often refer to them and

677
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,679
somehow we know more about the current

678
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,240
political figures than we do about those

679
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:41,919
figures but we feel as if we know the

680
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,240
image of a jesus or a buddha so well

681
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,559
but i'm pretty sure that if we saw those

682
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,520
people assuming jesus in particular even

683
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,919
existed they'd have just as many

684
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,400
ticks and people would look at them and

685
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,840
say oh that's pretentious or that's

686
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,240
rehearsed or that's whatever

687
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,000
and maybe all the more so in the case of

688
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,840
the buddha because there'd be i would

689
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,320
assume a lot of well also jesus a lot of

690
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,200
textual memorization and recitation of

691
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,200
what they're doing so i mean that's just

692
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,840
an interesting thing that comes up

693
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:15,760
to clarify when i say jesus i actually

694
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:19,840
mean more about the the archetypal gene

695
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,120
jesus than the historical jesus

696
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,559
so that is to say the perfect man

697
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,080
i'm calling the perfect man in the

698
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,919
christian sense jesus now whether or not

699
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,080
jesus was the actual perfect man

700
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,240
historically literally if one wants to

701
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,159
take that route that's another issue so

702
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,080
that's what i mean when i say jesus

703
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,760
okay so you

704
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,679
then went to get your phd in what

705
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,679
subject

706
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,440
well humanities

707
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:47,279
so

708
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,799
it was kind of a weird thing because the

709
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,279
humanities program didn't exist before

710
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:53,600
that i entered it and i was the first

711
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,200
cohort to go through it and

712
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,039
that was a very

713
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,039
that was a big gamble i guess to take a

714
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,760
phd in a topic that was that was brand

715
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,559
new

716
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:06,159
um

717
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,960
but

718
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,360
that's what i did and

719
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,880
i was able to focus on history of

720
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,720
religion history of

721
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,559
technology and science

722
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,760
and do some classics with uh

723
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:19,679
the classical world and languages and

724
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,559
whatnot

725
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,960
it's a great good breath

726
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,320
it's a good mix

727
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,720
yeah yeah okay and then your work and

728
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,200
memory started when and

729
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,480
that led you to hear how

730
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,200
yeah it's a good question what i mean

731
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,440
i was very depressed in university and

732
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,840
here's like the big sob story of the kid

733
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,880
who

734
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,279
is struggling and blah blah blah but i

735
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,159
discovered memory while i was

736
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,960
near the end of my

737
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,360
coursework for the phd and starting to

738
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,440
prepare for the field exams

739
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,559
and

740
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,840
think about what i was going to do with

741
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,840
my my dissertation there's a long

742
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,320
history of depression going to

743
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,880
the hospital etc experimenting with

744
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:05,679
different medications and so forth and

745
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,960
uh camh

746
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,279
camh yeah that's the

747
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,640
that's the hospital in toronto for

748
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,240
mental health

749
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,360
oh

750
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,880
did they change the name of the clark

751
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,400
because that's where i used to go on oh

752
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,760
no i don't know about clark okay so

753
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,440
maybe it's used maybe it used to be

754
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,559
called that

755
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,679
yeah

756
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:25,520
as in college in spadina

757
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:26,480
yeah yeah

758
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,080
i used to call it the rook because it

759
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,600
kind of looks like a rook piece in a

760
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:32,720
chess

761
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,039
but that's an interesting story in and

762
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,720
of itself because i i knew about the

763
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,320
clark because i had read timothy

764
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,520
findley's

765
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,799
head hunter

766
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,159
and uh

767
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,760
when i first wound up there it was

768
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:47,919
during my ba

769
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,600
and i'd written some crazy poem and was

770
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:54,400
pretty clearly in a manic episode

771
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,480
and uh the ta of one of my courses said

772
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,080
he i'd come out of a lecture and i was

773
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,240
just crying from john keats it touched

774
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,919
me so deeply

775
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:05,039
and

776
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,440
uh

777
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,559
sort of a long story but he said you

778
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,640
know if you really you what you're

779
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,799
writing here is is good but it's filled

780
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,360
with all kinds of strange images and you

781
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,480
know you're talking to us you're trying

782
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,039
to have this conversation i had set up a

783
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,360
poetry reading some people were worried

784
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:26,880
that i was going to you know do like a

785
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,400
college shooting or something like this

786
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:31,039
because i was so focused on this poetry

787
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,320
i really just wanted to read the damn

788
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,080
poem and then go to sleep because i was

789
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,840
tired i'd been up for seven days writing

790
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,240
this poem and the the ta sent me to the

791
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,080
clark anyway and i knew exactly what it

792
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,159
was because i'd read timothy uh finley's

793
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,559
headhunter and uh

794
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,159
took me a while to get there but anyway

795
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,679
i didn't leave for three months after

796
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,240
that after i showed up at the door

797
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,840
at the clark institute

798
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,440
okay when you say you hadn't left for

799
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,880
three months do you mean to say that

800
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,559
they sequestered you they put you in a

801
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,760
room that you couldn't escape from

802
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:59,120
because they thought you were a threat

803
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:00,840
to yourself or someone

804
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,720
else yeah worse than that i mean they

805
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,399
i think it was the fifth floor and

806
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,880
there's intensive care unit

807
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:11,520
and so it's almost like a prison uh

808
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,480
and so the floor is divided between sort

809
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,600
of general open unit where there are

810
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,480
rooms and people can freely move about

811
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,559
and then the intensive care which is

812
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,399
sort of has these cells that have

813
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,559
sliding doors and you're in there you're

814
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,720
locked into your own little room and you

815
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,559
come out into the day room only certain

816
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,039
during certain dirt hours and the

817
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,799
nursing station is behind glass because

818
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,960
there's people throwing stuff at it etc

819
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,960
it was it was wild they gave you

820
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,760
medication or just talk therapy

821
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,760
well i didn't want medication i wasn't i

822
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:46,000
wasn't i wasn't yet convinced that i was

823
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,440
sick even though

824
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,200
i sort of knew that i had to go to the

825
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,760
hospital just because i wasn't sleeping

826
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,039
i don't know

827
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,799
how long that i

828
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,039
waited before that i

829
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,960
submitted to their demands that i to

830
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,039
take the medication that they were

831
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,360
suggesting but it was probably about

832
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,799
three weeks or so

833
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,000
and

834
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,640
i remember having as long

835
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,720
of conversations as i possibly could

836
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:12,640
have with the doctors and i would tell

837
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,760
them you know what i really need is some

838
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:18,000
sort of

839
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,200
marxist

840
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,600
freudian psychoanalysis because it's

841
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,919
obvious that you know the towers are

842
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,640
beaming capitalism into my head and i

843
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,200
was reading to lose so i was like citing

844
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,760
capitalism in schizophrenia and all this

845
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,919
stuff and i was convinced that the

846
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,320
alphabet was built from numbers and if

847
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,559
you could unwind the alphabet and see

848
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:41,200
the numerical structure of the universe

849
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,480
that you know

850
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,720
whatever it was it was pretty strange

851
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,559
stuff um

852
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,320
and i knew enough about psychology i was

853
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,799
taught i said maybe it's hebaphrenia and

854
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,760
all this

855
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,360
i don't even really know that i knew

856
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,279
what hepophrenia was but i was talk i

857
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:57,760
was telling them i was running the show

858
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:58,559
and

859
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,320
finally one day i guess something

860
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,760
convinced me to take lithium and

861
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,679
then i just you know was moved

862
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:09,600
eventually over to the quote unquote

863
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,120
general population then i started to get

864
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:16,000
day passes and so forth and then

865
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,549
how does lithium make you feel

866
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,480
or how did it

867
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,200
does it dead in your feelings

868
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,720
yeah i spent uh

869
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:29,760
maybe

870
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,200
10 years on lithium and it

871
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,679
is like for me it was like going into a

872
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,120
no man's land

873
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:39,039
uh just

874
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,919
very

875
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,919
monotonous i think i still

876
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:44,399
am a bit of a monotonous person now that

877
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:45,120
i

878
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,760
on and

879
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,760
it also adds a layer of fat or it added

880
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,240
a layer of fat to me and

881
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,000
in toronto it was especially and new

882
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,919
york both places i lived while i took

883
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,840
lithium it was quite dangerous in the

884
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,320
summers because during the humidity

885
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:09,760
you could get

886
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,360
lithium toxic shock or toxicity quite

887
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,120
quite easily so you're always playing

888
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,640
this balancing game you have to have the

889
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:18,480
lithium levels just right so that you're

890
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,919
not uh getting into trouble uh

891
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,039
and you just feel like you have to be

892
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,640
babysat all the time because you have to

893
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:25,840
have the levels checked you have to

894
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,000
constantly get new prescriptions and

895
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:32,399
it wasn't the solution uh but i didn't

896
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,710
for people listening or watching or

897
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,120
tuning in for the

898
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,279
for the right now for the first time and

899
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,399
not knowing who anthony is anthony is a

900
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,960
wrongly called you a memory champion but

901
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,600
you're somewhat of a memory expert

902
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,720
you certainly know the different

903
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,320
techniques and how to

904
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,080
quickly memorize

905
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,960
virtually any piece of

906
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,600
of information that a regular memory

907
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:02,880
champion would

908
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,519
do as a almost parlor trick

909
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,840
and you have a tedx talk now this one's

910
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,279
interesting i watched it it was about

911
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:11,200
how to silence your

912
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:12,159
inner

913
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,799
thoughts trouble you with two questions

914
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,799
and that one is a tedx talk first of all

915
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,039
that has a million views now

916
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,200
tedx talks generally generally have a

917
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,440
few thousand to ten thousands of views

918
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,600
yours has a million and it was released

919
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,360
just last year which means it doesn't

920
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,880
even have

921
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,320
the

922
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,159
advantage of being

923
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,760
on youtube for quite some time in order

924
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,399
to amass such

925
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,320
an amount of hits which means that the

926
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,279
quality is likely very high

927
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,679
so firstly congratulations on getting a

928
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,919
million hits on tedx

929
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,760
second people who are watching for the

930
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,760
first time you can view that talk it'll

931
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:53,679
be in the description

932
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,990
why did you first reach out to me i

933
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,159
remember that we had some email

934
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,000
exchanges why don't you tell me what

935
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,480
precipitated that

936
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,320
well

937
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:10,880
first of all you have a great channel so

938
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:13,840
that was one reason um

939
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,880
and i also had

940
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,240
i have a

941
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:20,880
a project that i work on which has to do

942
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,640
with promoting memory training so

943
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:27,039
i do know a lot about memory techniques

944
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,320
and

945
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,679
the

946
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,840
competition history that i have is very

947
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,399
sparse but i did compete for charity one

948
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,720
time and i actually did quite good so it

949
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,559
was it was a lot of fun i didn't i

950
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,880
didn't win for my charity but

951
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,720
i came in second so that that was that

952
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,120
was nice and i tell that story in the uh

953
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,279
in the tedx

954
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,440
how that all came to be in very brief

955
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,000
strokes but anyway the techniques are

956
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,159
often used for

957
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,320
the outcome of winning competitions and

958
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,159
i find that speaking of our earlier

959
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,039
themes of pretense i find that that

960
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,120
is not pretentious but it has this kind

961
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:04,640
of

962
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,639
weightlifting essentially weightlifting

963
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,960
for the mind and so there's a lot of

964
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,320
people who are

965
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,800
just there to show off and they're not

966
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,040
really embracing the glory of memory

967
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,200
techniques so

968
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,560
what it what that glory is we can get

969
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,000
into but it has to do with learning

970
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:26,320
basically and for the long term rather

971
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,520
than memorizing a bunch of stuff you're

972
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,639
going to forget after you get your

973
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,679
middle

974
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:31,200
now in terms of reaching out to you you

975
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,399
had

976
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:34,879
his name is richard heyer is it um you

977
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,599
had interviewed him and i was

978
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,200
i've been thinking about iq for a long

979
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,839
time and intelligence and so forth and i

980
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,879
thought

981
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,879
if there's a way that people can before

982
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,560
i saw your interview

983
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,919
if there's a way to improve uh

984
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,679
intelligence let's say

985
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,359
then what is the most likely way to do

986
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,599
it and it would be

987
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,399
to

988
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,119
improve where intelligence sits what is

989
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,359
it that intelligence sits in

990
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:02,800
and so

991
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,640
i just basically reached out to you to

992
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,760
let you know that i'd linked to your

993
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:09,200
interview with him

994
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,240
and

995
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,599
compelling discussion

996
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,280
because he was talking about potential

997
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,000
drugs that might come in in the future

998
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,000
and

999
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:23,520
go with my thesis which is if you're

1000
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,320
going to

1001
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:26,079
improve memory you've got to

1002
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,200
improve intelligence you've got to

1003
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,440
improve what intelligence sits in and so

1004
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,880
if it's going to be drugs what are those

1005
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:32,079
drugs improving well they're going to

1006
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,599
improve the brain

1007
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,400
and brain is where memory sits and then

1008
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:39,200
intelligence i'm assuming sits or at

1009
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,800
least is somehow in relationship with

1010
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,720
memory as such but also very specific

1011
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,640
levels of memory so

1012
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,160
i just let you know that i was linking

1013
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,160
to that and also

1014
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,839
as a youtuber i'm always fascinated with

1015
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,520
what other youtubers are thinking and

1016
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,000
suggested you know jamming on the topic

1017
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,440
of youtube itself as a as an initiative

1018
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,160
did you find any methods to increase

1019
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:04,000
one's iq

1020
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,790
points about increasing iq per se but

1021
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,280
intelligence and that's different and

1022
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,680
for the people in the chat

1023
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,839
or people who are listening watching

1024
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,599
once this is on uh

1025
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,960
replay

1026
00:37:15,349 --> 00:36:22,079
i

1027
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,359
there are people who search the term how

1028
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,240
to increase iq

1029
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,000
i i've just been i had been thinking

1030
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,000
about it independently for a long time

1031
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,599
because people on my youtube channel ask

1032
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,079
me all the time how can i increase my iq

1033
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,240
but one day my seo came to me which is

1034
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,000
for people who don't know internet stuff

1035
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,200
is search engine optimization and or

1036
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:35,200
he's a search engine optimization expert

1037
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:36,400
he's on my team

1038
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:39,920
and so i just call him my seo anyway

1039
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,720
he says you should do this article on

1040
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,280
on iq and i thought ah that's a bit

1041
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,599
risky a little bit you know not as you

1042
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,400
say not the most um

1043
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,040
safe topic necessarily but people are

1044
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,520
searching for it my mission is to reach

1045
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,880
people who are searching for things

1046
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,800
related to memory so what the hell i'll

1047
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,960
write about this and i pretty quickly in

1048
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,640
that article say let's change the

1049
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,040
definition of iq and then i talk about

1050
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:08,079
goal oriented stuff so the answer is you

1051
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,119
know

1052
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,440
no i don't necessarily have any ways to

1053
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,599
increase iq but

1054
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,160
by the same token i think it's worth the

1055
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,160
hypothesis to say if we're going to

1056
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,920
increase it what are the ways that we

1057
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:22,480
could increase it and that article is

1058
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,000
now still a first draft and i we tend to

1059
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,680
update these things everything on the

1060
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,000
internet is beta i mean video is a bit

1061
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,160
hard to do after the fact but in terms

1062
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,240
of articles and podcasts

1063
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,320
you you're able to just see

1064
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:37,920
can we actually get the people who are

1065
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,040
searching for iq with this

1066
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,200
i told my seo guy look i'm not going to

1067
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,560
do it the way that you told me to

1068
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,160
outline it i'm going to do it this way

1069
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,839
and we'll see what happens i haven't

1070
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,200
asked them whether it made it to page

1071
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,359
one or not we're pretty good at it we

1072
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,440
have a 80 20 rule like everybody else

1073
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:55,280
and get in terms of getting to page one

1074
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,480
but i'm

1075
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,400
fairly good at it with certain keywords

1076
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,680
he throws at me

1077
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,280
i don't know what we did with that one

1078
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,240
but i thought it was worth a try because

1079
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,680
people are searching for it and what

1080
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,000
they mean i think when they say when

1081
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,720
they put into google how to increase iq

1082
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,960
they mean how do i get smarter

1083
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,119
right and so in terms of how do you get

1084
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,920
smarter i think i have included not only

1085
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,359
have i

1086
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,960
got theories and techniques and

1087
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,720
strategies for people to do that but i

1088
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,400
think i've got a proven track record of

1089
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,560
it i mean we've got lots of people who

1090
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,440
have passed exams that they didn't dream

1091
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,200
of passing before they started to train

1092
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,960
their memory

1093
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,480
and made advancements in learning

1094
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,160
languages etc

1095
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,079
i'd call that intelligence because if

1096
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,560
you can figure out how to

1097
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,440
set a goal how to do what it takes to

1098
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,960
accomplish that goal

1099
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:46,720
and then properly reward yourself once

1100
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,960
it's done with full modesty then

1101
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,640
what else what else would that be other

1102
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,560
than having increased your intelligence

1103
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,640
i fully acknowledge that it's not

1104
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,280
exactly directly addressing that article

1105
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,000
uh directly addressing iq as the

1106
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,400
measured thing on those sorts of tests

1107
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,720
that has to do with spatial

1108
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,359
intelligence or spatial

1109
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,920
calculation ability and being able to

1110
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,000
match certain dimensional things and

1111
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,440
then there's verbal

1112
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,760
all that sort of stuff but

1113
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,200
i think that we could we could work on

1114
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,280
it and i think that memory would be one

1115
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,440
of the places that we'd need to focus on

1116
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,760
and raw memory training

1117
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,560
i mean it's only it's only 120 years or

1118
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,359
something since ebbinghaus started his

1119
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,040
very um

1120
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,000
n equals one kind of memory experiments

1121
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,640
in terms which is i don't know about

1122
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,520
that

1123
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,359
what is this person's name eddinghouse

1124
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,520
ebbing house ebbinghaus hermann

1125
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,400
ebbinghaus and he wrote it's in german

1126
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,040
uber desk deschnes which is basically

1127
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,119
about memory um

1128
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,119
and what he had done is he came up with

1129
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,720
the principles of like the forgetting

1130
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,800
curve and he had memorized a bunch of

1131
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,200
stuff and he would just test how long it

1132
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,160
was before he forgot it and that led to

1133
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,480
concepts like primacy effect and recency

1134
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,280
effect serial positioning effect

1135
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:09,200
all of which

1136
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,480
i mean if we're going to just talk about

1137
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,920
intelligence in sort of straight

1138
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,200
language

1139
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,960
what else would you call intelligence

1140
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,640
other than your ability to remember what

1141
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,160
you learned

1142
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,119
see it in context in real time be able

1143
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,160
to juggle what people are saying

1144
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,000
interact with them or whatever a test is

1145
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,640
saying and so forth and um

1146
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,640
not be destroyed by a forgetting curve

1147
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,240
which is what a lot of people struggle

1148
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,160
with within three seconds they'll forget

1149
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,680
your name within

1150
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,440
you know

1151
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,319
five days they'll forget what they read

1152
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,520
etc and they're struggling with that so

1153
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,319
ebbinghaus was huge and it's we're

1154
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,520
really just at the beginning of memory

1155
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,560
as a as a science as a study and it has

1156
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,880
historical philosophical

1157
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:57,200
biological chemical

1158
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,319
neuro

1159
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,880
chemical dimensions to it that's just

1160
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:03,599
waiting to be explored

1161
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,400
so what do you what do you say about the

1162
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:08,720
adaptive quality of forgetting so for

1163
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,440
example some people who

1164
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,640
have unbelievable memories for

1165
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,560
events in their lives like episodic

1166
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,400
memory they

1167
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:21,200
are often leading horrible lives you can

1168
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:21,920
see

1169
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,319
on this where they remember exactly what

1170
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,079
they're eating 10 years ago on a certain

1171
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,560
day and the weather and so on and

1172
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:32,079
they

1173
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,040
penchant from memory as being a curse in

1174
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,200
a sense because they remember all their

1175
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,000
mistakes and this one lady said

1176
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,440
you know how you ruminate at night so

1177
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,800
she was speaking to the camera how you

1178
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,640
say i wish i could have said this then

1179
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,440
and so on so imagine doing that for

1180
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,480
every conversation for the past 20 years

1181
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,240
then i was watching

1182
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,480
i don't know you probably would know

1183
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,520
much

1184
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,520
you're probably correct now as for

1185
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,359
there's this person who apparently has

1186
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,960
the highest iq in america now that's

1187
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,079
like

1188
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,960
who knows because iq at the extremely

1189
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,440
high range you can't actually test it in

1190
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,359
the way that people think you can

1191
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,280
whatever his name is chris langan you

1192
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,920
know i'm sure chris langan said that

1193
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,680
he doesn't have a great memory

1194
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,160
and that what he thinks intelligence is

1195
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,160
is the

1196
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,560
proper selection of what you remember so

1197
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,560
if you can remember a whole book

1198
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,800
so what it matters like you mentioned

1199
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,319
for your goals so what do you say to

1200
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,079
that about

1201
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,520
memories

1202
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,839
memory is great but at the same time

1203
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,839
your brain one's brain is set up to

1204
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,000
forget for specific reason so that means

1205
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,960
your memory has to be matched with

1206
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,440
with adaptive forgetting so it has to be

1207
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,960
adaptive memory and adapter forgetting

1208
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,560
so how do you balance that like what do

1209
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:49,760
you say to

1210
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,359
someone who has an obscene memory

1211
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,200
right well superior autobiographical

1212
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,680
memory is a very interesting topic and

1213
00:44:03,030 --> 00:43:58,720
the

1214
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:03,040
what it is and how it works aren't out

1215
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,079
but

1216
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,720
there are a couple of cases where

1217
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,960
skeptics of superior autobiographical

1218
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,720
memory have done some research and they

1219
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,640
have seen that there's a commonality

1220
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,720
among some of these cases because if it

1221
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,400
isn't a sort of savantism that's

1222
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,760
involved there is an ocd level of

1223
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,400
self-rumination and often journaling so

1224
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,359
i don't know if you're if you're

1225
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,280
referring to jill price but jill price

1226
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:28,079
it was a highly publicized figure

1227
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,359
the book is called the woman who can't

1228
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,280
forget which i think was ghost written

1229
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,680
for her or you know with her um but in

1230
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,440
any case it's an interesting book to

1231
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,359
read but what the book doesn't talk

1232
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,520
about but that was discovered by some

1233
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,800
people who are a little skeptical of

1234
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,640
this is that she's an obsessive

1235
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,839
journaler

1236
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,640
right

1237
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,240
and um

1238
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,560
often rehearsing again and again and

1239
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,720
again what was journaled the day before

1240
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,240
now i don't think that the obsessive

1241
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,640
journaling accounts for all of this but

1242
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,760
i think it

1243
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,839
it's a clue to something that's going on

1244
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,079
in some people and it's interesting that

1245
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,640
it's autobiographical memory

1246
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,960
it's not clear that it's the uh episodic

1247
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,200
that is as strong um

1248
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,480
although obviously they blur um

1249
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,800
in any case i don't know but i don't

1250
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,240
know that it's clear that they have

1251
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,880
somehow lost adaptive forgetting in ways

1252
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,960
that others haven't i think it's

1253
00:45:22,750 --> 00:45:21,359
maybe a little bit more clear that

1254
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:22,760
there's a commonal

1255
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,520
commonality in terms of rumination that

1256
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,000
is leading to exactly the things that

1257
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,079
memory competitors do or people who use

1258
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:32,800
memory techniques do which is a kind of

1259
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:36,000
forced ocd where you're rigging serial

1260
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,520
positioning effect to give everything

1261
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,119
primacy and recency so that you can

1262
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,760
remember it longer using what's called

1263
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,440
fondrestorf effect which is you

1264
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,760
exaggerate it and so you can look at

1265
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:47,760
cases like jill price and you know with

1266
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,480
all

1267
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,160
do humility that i don't know or never

1268
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,680
talk to her and overly seen interviews

1269
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,359
with her but it seems like she's

1270
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,760
exaggerating a lot of the events in her

1271
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,240
life which would lead to them

1272
00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:59,680
not only being more memorable but

1273
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,800
causing more more suffering um and we

1274
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,560
i've done that to myself you know and i

1275
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,079
think we've all had that experience that

1276
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,079
sting of something you said and you

1277
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:10,240
can't just you just can't let it go

1278
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,040
well

1279
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,800
what is it that you can't let it go is

1280
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,560
it because you constantly rehearse it

1281
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,960
and compound its value

1282
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,880
so that it shocks you more and more and

1283
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,280
becomes more and more painful or

1284
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:23,200
is it i don't know it's not necessarily

1285
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:24,319
clear

1286
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,200
but

1287
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,480
to answer your question directly

1288
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,480
forgetting is normal it's sort of

1289
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:29,680
healthy

1290
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,560
but it's also not necessarily the case

1291
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:34,560
that you have to forget anything you

1292
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,270
but there will be a forgetting curve at

1293
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,280
least that's what we see in the science

1294
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,880
and i think we see it in in our

1295
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,800
practical lives if you don't use it you

1296
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,359
will lose it and

1297
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,200
even english the years i lived in

1298
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,520
germany i started to experience what's

1299
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,760
called linguistic de-skilling my english

1300
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,680
skills went down and i noticed them

1301
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,800
going back up after i moved to australia

1302
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,280
it was just just the strangest thing but

1303
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,040
that's interesting you know i i wouldn't

1304
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,040
say that my english is is profoundly

1305
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,720
good in any

1306
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,880
respect at all but

1307
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,640
it had gone down noticeably and i

1308
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,640
noticed it after living in an

1309
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,000
english-speaking country again that it

1310
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,920
went back up

1311
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,760
there was this one exercise you had

1312
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,520
recently on your channel

1313
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,359
maybe you've referenced it before but i

1314
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,280
saw it in one of your most recent videos

1315
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:25,119
about the alphabet and visualizing it on

1316
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:26,400
a grid

1317
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,599
yeah are you able to see all 26 letters

1318
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:32,400
at once in your mind's eye

1319
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,359
no

1320
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,839
but that's a good question

1321
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:37,760
so when we think about

1322
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,560
can you see 26 letters at once

1323
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,640
what do we mean by seeing 26 letters at

1324
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,440
once right so if i

1325
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,359
if i think you mean what i think you

1326
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,200
mean then the answer is no but at the

1327
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,760
same time there is an image of the

1328
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,359
alphabet

1329
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,880
and i can see that

1330
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,640
yeah see mike is doing it i don't think

1331
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:58,640
i even did the entire exercise but what

1332
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,560
i gathered from it

1333
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:02,560
i can imagine that i could

1334
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,560
vaguely see the entire alphabet and that

1335
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,319
i can trick myself into thinking i'm

1336
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,079
seeing the alphabet because my eyes just

1337
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,520
like my eyes right now are secating

1338
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,359
around and i get an image of the whole

1339
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,960
but i'm actually only seeing a part at

1340
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,480
any point

1341
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,640
i imagine that let's say i'm looking at

1342
00:48:20,550 --> 00:48:18,800
well what's around g then i go around g

1343
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,560
and i see the plus or minus around g

1344
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,160
maybe plus or minus two plus or minus

1345
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,400
three around g when i say plus or minus

1346
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,839
i mean the letters and then i secade

1347
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,760
down to z and then i subcode up to

1348
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,079
q and so on and i think that i'm seeing

1349
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,880
all 26 letters but i'm not

1350
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,280
so you're saying that

1351
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,280
the point of the exercise isn't to

1352
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,839
visualize all 26 at once nor is it

1353
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,040
well that's not the point of the

1354
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:42,880
exercise

1355
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,079
people

1356
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,599
begin to understand what the memory

1357
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,880
tradition is

1358
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:50,640
and

1359
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,319
what used to be called the gamatria is

1360
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,599
useful i mean it's still called the

1361
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,400
camitria but um

1362
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,839
a lot of memory techniques involve

1363
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,359
understanding that language is built

1364
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,119
from alphabet and alphabet builds

1365
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:05,359
language and

1366
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,720
what we're doing when we use memory

1367
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,880
techniques is we're

1368
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,040
perceiving a sort of fundamental oneness

1369
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,040
or sameness in information that is

1370
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,359
differentiated by symbols

1371
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,760
and uh there's multiple levels of mental

1372
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,839
imagery so when i just said i can see

1373
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,440
the alphabet as a singular thing i

1374
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,880
actually don't even mean that i can see

1375
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:24,880
it because seeing is the thing that eyes

1376
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,760
do right

1377
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,040
but

1378
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,440
the notion that eyes

1379
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:33,920
is an image that appears in my mind

1380
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,119
right so even the idea that eyes are a

1381
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,599
thing that sees is a mental image that

1382
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,680
has multiple properties

1383
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,559
right

1384
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,960
that is appearing as an image inside of

1385
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,280
my own image of my own consciousness i i

1386
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,359
don't understand what i could do i don't

1387
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,880
even know if i understand it either

1388
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,800
because it's a kind of infinite regress

1389
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,400
right and earlier you mentioned

1390
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,240
something about a oneness it with regard

1391
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,240
to memory what are you referring to

1392
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,990
well yesterday i met with my uh monthly

1393
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,760
coaching group where we talk about

1394
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,000
memory stuff and i gave them an exercise

1395
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,720
which is or a game we played which is

1396
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,559
i set a sentence which was a white cat

1397
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,480
ate a frog and then the next student

1398
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,079
said a sentence and then the next

1399
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,440
student said a sentence and we all have

1400
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,599
to repeat the sentence that the previous

1401
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,079
person said that's great and i'm

1402
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,920
introducing intuit numbers i'm

1403
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,520
introducing intuit adjectives and

1404
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,200
introducing into it and they are

1405
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,880
naturally also

1406
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:30,079
and when we got to the end like

1407
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:31,440
everybody fails quite quickly because

1408
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,800
it's quite hard right but um

1409
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,960
you know and somebody had mentioned uh

1410
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,119
peyton manning who i guess is a football

1411
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,720
player i'd never heard of this person

1412
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,599
before but uh i used preston manning who

1413
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,040
i think was the leader of the reform

1414
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,400
party at some point in canadian

1415
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,880
political history as my image for that

1416
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,119
now when i what i described to them

1417
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,280
after is one of the reasons why i played

1418
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,040
the game better than they did is because

1419
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,960
i don't see the information different

1420
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,079
than they do

1421
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,079
they they think oh my goodness now i

1422
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,000
have to account for a verb what image am

1423
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,240
i going to use for a verb oh peyton

1424
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,240
manning is number one is what one person

1425
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,240
one student said now i have to think

1426
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:10,079
number one which is somehow different

1427
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:11,599
than the name

1428
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,200
uh peyton manning right and i just

1429
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,359
i don't see it that way because i've

1430
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,880
created this

1431
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,640
set of tools that allows me to just make

1432
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,960
it information as such

1433
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,520
and there's a experience of oneness with

1434
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,200
the information

1435
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,880
because you're that fast in terms of

1436
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,960
elaborative encoding it's called

1437
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,680
so

1438
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,680
when you look at the kids who i mean

1439
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,760
it's not even just kids but i just call

1440
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,720
them kids because they're getting

1441
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,839
younger and younger in the memory

1442
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:39,040
competitions

1443
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,240
um

1444
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:41,920
they're memorizing decks of cards in

1445
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:45,440
like 17 seconds 12 seconds 52

1446
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,839
individual cards in order with 100

1447
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,760
accuracy there's a oneness that's going

1448
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,440
on between

1449
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,160
multiple layers of information order

1450
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,400
suit number perhaps they're even

1451
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:00,319
referring to color in how that they

1452
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,319
process suits

1453
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,480
and there's

1454
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,319
the this is happening because the mind

1455
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,800
has been trained to disregard distortion

1456
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,920
and just

1457
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:11,200
connect

1458
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,640
in the moment

1459
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,400
but multi-layer multi-layers of

1460
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,480
information all the same the mind has

1461
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,640
been trained or their mind because they

1462
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,960
were memory champions or working toward

1463
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,000
being that

1464
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,760
their mind has been trained or the my

1465
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,440
all of our minds are trained like that

1466
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,720
well i don't know

1467
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,200
if we want to get into non-duality and

1468
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,359
uh the potential that it's just one mind

1469
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,920
doing it but let's just say for practice

1470
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,760
for practical purposes somebody sat

1471
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,960
there and

1472
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,280
like an individual unit

1473
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,440
of consciousness sat there and trained

1474
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,000
the meat factory that is you know

1475
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,559
somehow producing that that and so the

1476
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,480
person who didn't train that isn't gonna

1477
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,400
do it you know my best time with cards

1478
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,960
is two minutes and 30 seconds and i got

1479
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,800
bored and i'm just like not going to get

1480
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,559
faster than that because

1481
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,640
you know there's no practical benefit to

1482
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,720
my life to be able to memorize faster

1483
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:01,920
than two minutes and 30 seconds but i

1484
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,880
can tell you in that moment you're one

1485
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,200
with all the things it's

1486
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,280
it's like being in task positive network

1487
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,200
or what uh mihai chick sent me how you

1488
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:12,839
calls uh

1489
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,599
flow it's just flow

1490
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,160
but to get there you have to annihilate

1491
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,240
the idea that information is different

1492
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:22,960
it's it's just it's just information and

1493
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,079
you have the tools and you just

1494
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,640
okay explain to me let's say there's a i

1495
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,400
know that's fake

1496
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,400
but that's what it feels like let's take

1497
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,880
an ordinary person or a typical member

1498
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:36,559
of the population you pick someone from

1499
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:39,760
the street and you say memorize these

1500
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,040
10 cards let's make it simple 10 cards

1501
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,520
they may take a minute or so and then

1502
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,319
they may get some wrong and

1503
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,839
how are they

1504
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:51,680
trying to memorize and how is that

1505
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,640
different

1506
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,720
when one is thinking of the information

1507
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,760
as

1508
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,280
being of the same

1509
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,480
vellum or the same cloth or the same

1510
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,520
type like i i don't i've

1511
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:05,520
like helped me through

1512
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,240
how

1513
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,510
i don't i'm so far removed from what a

1514
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,040
normal person would do quote unquote

1515
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,040
normal person that it's hard for me to

1516
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,119
guess what that experience is like but

1517
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,800
let me imagine it they're probably

1518
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:19,920
thinking

1519
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:22,960
okay jack of clubs

1520
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,800
and then next comes queen of hearts

1521
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,240
they may be repeating it aloud to

1522
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,839
themselves as well yeah and then they're

1523
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,839
trying to mentally juggle and and then

1524
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,839
it was you know was it j what was it

1525
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,160
giant space chugga clubs

1526
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,240
right they're already getting jumbled up

1527
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,319
whereas the trained person

1528
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:43,760
jack of clubs is a cheetah and queen of

1529
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:47,040
hearts is a bone so now that she and i'm

1530
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:48,240
not going to speak for all memory

1531
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:49,440
converters because some of them do this

1532
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,800
differently but

1533
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,359
this is the basics the cheetah is now

1534
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:55,440
going to throw the bone

1535
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,240
at

1536
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,200
so let's say it's ace of spades so

1537
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,760
they're going to throw a bone at the

1538
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,920
frog right so now that's going to help

1539
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:05,200
person object

1540
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,559
object action or is that different

1541
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:09,200
person action object yeah

1542
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,800
they don't all do it exactly that way

1543
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,200
but the idea is is that

1544
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:15,280
if you have 52 cards to memorize you're

1545
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,559
going to have a person action object a

1546
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,000
person action object person action

1547
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:19,680
object typically this is going to be

1548
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,800
layered out in a memory palace and so

1549
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,720
that's like

1550
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,760
uh

1551
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,160
a matt you know prices are was it prices

1552
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,079
right is the one where they spin the

1553
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:32,240
wheel and then they guess the words

1554
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,440
that come i think that's wheel of

1555
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:35,599
fortune oh sorry wheel of fortune yeah

1556
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,800
well the price of right now also has a

1557
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,400
wheel but yeah right that's right bob

1558
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:41,280
barker versus pat sajak um

1559
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:42,240
uh

1560
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:43,040
the

1561
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,440
right wheel is is a little bit better

1562
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,079
sure sure because um

1563
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,359
i don't know it doesn't matter the idea

1564
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,359
is that there's a cell in space and that

1565
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,720
cell is gonna

1566
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,319
yeah like a like you know on the price

1567
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:00,880
of a white wheel that spins around and

1568
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,079
it's got like 200 300 etc okay but now

1569
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,760
imagine that you have one two three four

1570
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,920
five six seven eight nine ten and in

1571
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,160
position one you're gonna have a cheetah

1572
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,760
and then you just turn the wheel and

1573
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,839
then in position two you're gonna have a

1574
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,440
bone and then you turn the wheel and in

1575
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,440
position three you're gonna have a toad

1576
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,440
so that i can now remember yeah i'm even

1577
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,200
just managing my own memory right now i

1578
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,040
think look at the transcript i said jack

1579
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,680
of clubs queen of hearts and aces made

1580
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,359
right because

1581
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,119
yeah well i mean

1582
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,960
i have a crap i have a bad memory if i

1583
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,640
don't use these tools i forget the stuff

1584
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,040
that's gone you know um so but when i

1585
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:36,880
use these things and i'm and i'm well

1586
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,760
practiced then it's even better um

1587
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,000
because you know you can

1588
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,599
throw down and say hey i'm gonna compete

1589
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:45,119
for charity today and not walk away

1590
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,720
completely embarrassed but actually do

1591
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,079
half as well as a guy who has two

1592
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:50,000
guinness world records which i

1593
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,280
think was quite something actually

1594
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,599
especially given that i was hungover and

1595
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,040
not feeling well

1596
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,119
in many regards but

1597
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,880
that's what it is that's what you do and

1598
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,799
you have to be one with it you have to

1599
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,960
be so it's like a martial art like

1600
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,720
you're you're not sitting there

1601
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:06,559
if you're um

1602
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,359
engaged in in sparring or in an actual

1603
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,920
combat heaven forbid you're not thinking

1604
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,480
oh kata this or whatever you're just

1605
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,720
trained that this is coming in and

1606
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,799
you're going to fold it and put it into

1607
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,720
place and you're going to do it in a way

1608
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,440
that it stays there your enemy doesn't

1609
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:25,119
want to move after they've

1610
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,799
confronted with you because you're just

1611
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,359
zoom zoom zoom

1612
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,119
and that's that's basically what i mean

1613
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,799
by oneness you don't have time to think

1614
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,480
about it you don't have time to fret

1615
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,839
about it you don't have time to hum and

1616
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,720
haw about it this must translate to that

1617
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:41,440
and it must do so in a way that lasts

1618
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,589
see when i think about what oneness

1619
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,240
means i'm thinking

1620
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,559
about being different

1621
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,559
ripples in the field of consciousness

1622
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:56,799
and so on and all that exists is simply

1623
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,599
the sea of experience

1624
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,280
when you're describing

1625
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,390
different phenomenon like cards or

1626
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,119
whatever maybe i

1627
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,960
i still don't see how it's won other

1628
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,319
than what you've

1629
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,240
alluded to which is it becoming

1630
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,799
reflexive i don't see reflex reflexes

1631
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,720
being or at least not conscious

1632
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,400
deliberation i don't see that as being

1633
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:22,319
the same as one so when you say one i

1634
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,280
don't think i'm understanding it

1635
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,680
correctly let's say you have this

1636
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,720
these cards and the regular person may

1637
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,240
repeat

1638
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,240
the card over and over

1639
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:34,160
in order they get to card number three

1640
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:35,200
they go back to card number one no

1641
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,480
number two number three number four okay

1642
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,760
i got number four now let me go back one

1643
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:39,280
two three four five okay i got those

1644
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,079
cards

1645
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,160
i see that as not being

1646
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,920
efficient and

1647
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:46,000
but i don't see the oneness in in the

1648
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,520
explanation that you gave like what is

1649
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,960
the oneness you're translating it down

1650
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,640
to cheetahs and to bones and so on but

1651
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:52,000
there's no oneness between cheetah and

1652
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,680
bones at least i don't see so

1653
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,599
do you mind helping well

1654
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,599
let's let's look at the word oneness

1655
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,119
itself right

1656
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:00,720
oneness is where

1657
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,559
when you're when you're reflecting on

1658
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,160
oneness where is it all around

1659
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,720
well where is that

1660
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,720
like you're genuinely asking me to go

1661
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,559
yeah i'm asking you not because i'm

1662
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,640
interested in creating radio silence but

1663
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,799
if you really think about it

1664
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,640
where is the concept of oneness and then

1665
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,319
you say well it's all around but then

1666
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:22,319
where is the concept of all around and

1667
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:23,280
then

1668
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,319
i'm just go it's just going to be an

1669
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,640
infinite regress and the answer is i

1670
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,880
have no idea because right now kurt is

1671
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:30,240
appearing in me

1672
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,119
right

1673
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,040
and you're you're for i don't know

1674
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,559
you're in toronto what's toronto well

1675
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:36,480
toronto is appearing in me

1676
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,280
and

1677
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,280
everything's just appearing right now in

1678
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,960
me and i assume it's appearing in you

1679
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:43,200
right so if there's a oneness and you

1680
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,400
and i are connecting right now we're

1681
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,240
having a conversation hopefully it's a

1682
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,240
good one for you i'm having fun myself

1683
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,079
and so forth the oneness is right now

1684
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,640
it's right here this is it right we can

1685
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,240
call it oneness we can say there's a

1686
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,880
reflect the reflection this a recursion

1687
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,559
that yada yada whatever we're doing

1688
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,640
we're just piling on more words and

1689
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,799
those words are coming into this space

1690
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:04,400
right now right

1691
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:05,200
and

1692
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,559
if you're going to recall back to a

1693
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,880
conversation later well then something

1694
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,119
about that lasted when did it last where

1695
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:14,880
did it last well right now it's in this

1696
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,000
whatever

1697
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:17,839
we call this we can just pile on more

1698
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,119
words but the very idea that oneness is

1699
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,280
defined differently by you

1700
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,839
has only so much difference

1701
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,760
because we are now communicating about

1702
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,119
that difference which requires a

1703
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,280
sameness it requires a oneness in order

1704
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,040
for it to even happen

1705
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,119
so when we're memorizing cards or

1706
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:37,920
whatever it is that we're doing we are

1707
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,799
experiencing a fundamental oneness that

1708
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:42,799
information appears in us

1709
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:45,839
and we have tools to

1710
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,720
make that appearance so robust that it

1711
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,319
lasts

1712
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,880
to repeat reappear in us later

1713
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,400
it's a

1714
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:56,000
i think we get into semantics when we

1715
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,680
try to get into what oneness means

1716
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,040
because oneness

1717
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:01,760
it only means by virtue of it being in

1718
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,160
the field that is perceiving the very

1719
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,160
concept of meaning itself

1720
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:07,760
and i feel like i'm like on the verge of

1721
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,559
just

1722
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,480
spouting endless deepities that sound

1723
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,240
make me sound like a the kind of person

1724
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:14,720
i don't actually want to sound like but

1725
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,599
what what what else can you say you know

1726
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,960
this is the this is the problem of

1727
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,440
discussing things like spirituality and

1728
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:24,160
yeah and yada yada because you just end

1729
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:25,359
up saying

1730
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,640
endless

1731
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,880
deputies but at the same time sorry what

1732
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:31,119
is that deputies

1733
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:32,000
this is

1734
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,160
a weapon that they use

1735
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:39,119
oh i didn't know that i know

1736
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:42,799
yeah well whoo-hoo is another one right

1737
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:43,520
but

1738
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,240
like it's a dvd basically is something

1739
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,960
that sounds really profound and so forth

1740
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:51,599
but actually isn't because

1741
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,559
to unspool it you only end up

1742
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,400
you know pulling putting more thread

1743
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,880
into the basket rather than less and uh

1744
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,400
i'm very deeply concerned about that

1745
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:02,960
because i study sanskrit and i look at

1746
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:05,040
these ancient traditions and when i when

1747
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,079
i get through the dpd's so to speak what

1748
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,240
i find is that actually they're like

1749
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,920
they're more atheist than anything i've

1750
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,760
ever seen in my life i started to call

1751
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,240
it uber atheist you know i thought i

1752
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,960
used to be an atheist but damn like in

1753
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:21,359
in some of these ancient texts why don't

1754
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,599
you take us through some of

1755
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,280
or just take us through your journey

1756
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:27,280
from atheism to

1757
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,160
i don't know what you would call

1758
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,000
yourself now but probably not atheists

1759
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,160
so let's just say uber atheist i like

1760
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,799
uber atheists okay

1761
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,400
especially because uber has some uh

1762
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,079
nuances in german

1763
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,200
and also for the people listening

1764
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,920
anthony has a website do you mind

1765
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:45,200
telling people where they can find out

1766
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,559
more about you not that we're ending but

1767
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:49,440
just so that people can make note of it

1768
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,720
um magneticmemorymethod.com

1769
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,400
and hey anthony you may not know this

1770
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,920
but when i was searching your name in my

1771
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:57,839
inbox

1772
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:59,440
i wanted to make sure that i sent you

1773
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,880
all the correct information i noticed i

1774
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,520
had

1775
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:04,480
20 emails from you from before i'm like

1776
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,160
from 2019 or 2018 and oh it turns out

1777
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,160
that i signed up for your

1778
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,160
i signed up for your newsletter quite

1779
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:14,799
some time ago and i had forgotten so

1780
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:17,520
that's pretty cool i probably

1781
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:20,480
i wasn't as memorable as i hoped

1782
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,599
well

1783
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,760
i don't recall why i did that i'm i'm

1784
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:25,599
not sure but anyway

1785
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,240
well in the great chaos uh and vastness

1786
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,079
of the internet it often proves to not

1787
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,160
be as big as it seems

1788
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,079
so there's this guy who his name is

1789
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:38,630
i want you all to know that anthony

1790
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,119
mativier responds promptly personally

1791
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,039
and repeatedly to questions about this

1792
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:45,280
talk if you contact him via his website

1793
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:46,880
i've corresponded with him twice today

1794
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,599
actually so just so people know people

1795
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:51,520
in the chat people who are listening you

1796
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,839
can contact anthony anthony responds i

1797
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,680
don't know at least in my experience

1798
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,400
respond with quite detailed messages

1799
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,319
like you care

1800
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:01,680
and i don't know where you get the time

1801
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,440
to do so but

1802
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:05,039
if people do have questions they can

1803
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:07,039
easily contact you and

1804
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,400
you'll you're more than likely to

1805
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,079
respond where do you get the time and

1806
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,400
the inclination to do this

1807
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,000
well i'll show you my secret weapon if

1808
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,710
this enables me to type about three

1809
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,960
times faster than most humans can even

1810
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,960
imagine typing

1811
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:25,119
it's a special keyboard what is it

1812
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:26,640
what the heck is that

1813
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,039
so this is called a safe type keyboard

1814
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,839
and it has the keys vertical and split

1815
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,520
on both sides

1816
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,359
so

1817
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:37,760
that reduces strain on your wrist

1818
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,680
and you type like this

1819
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:41,359
and uh so

1820
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,319
yeah i'm also a typing addict so

1821
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,400
yeah if i answer in detail it is because

1822
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,559
i care but i'm also you know

1823
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:50,480
doing my own dopamine addiction

1824
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,799
management at some level

1825
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,319
i haven't seen that keyboard before do

1826
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:56,000
you mind giving me

1827
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:57,920
it's called a display

1828
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,160
of how you would type without actually

1829
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,160
typing

1830
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,000
yeah um

1831
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,839
some chaos may go on on my other

1832
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,920
computer here but i would just say you

1833
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,359
know hi

1834
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:12,559
kurt how are you dude

1835
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:14,319
and then you know if i'm in an actual

1836
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,760
position

1837
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:18,240
at my stand-up desk so

1838
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:20,480
it just looks like that

1839
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,960
and if you um you know if you if you can

1840
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:24,000
do

1841
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,440
touch typing i guess it's called where

1842
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:27,520
you're not looking

1843
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,640
by the way you can train yourself

1844
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,240
because this these people who came up

1845
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:32,240
with this are genius it has mirrors my

1846
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,920
mirrors broke off a long time ago but

1847
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,079
you have these mirrors that come out and

1848
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,119
um that can help you train to be able to

1849
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:41,520
to see the keys and you know some of the

1850
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,039
numbers can be kind of tricky but in the

1851
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,240
middle there's a number pad uh so it's

1852
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:48,079
it's great

1853
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,440
what's that called

1854
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:51,200
it's called safe type

1855
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,319
safety

1856
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,000
i believe that's their url but they

1857
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,160
haven't updated their site in forever uh

1858
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,680
i think you can get them through amazon

1859
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,599
and whatnot

1860
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,039
okay so we're going through your journey

1861
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:03,280
from atheism to whatever you are now

1862
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,319
right uber atheist um

1863
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,760
well

1864
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,520
it's a long story as many stories are

1865
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,880
but

1866
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,400
here i have my i've been drinking from

1867
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,880
my waking up cup uh from the sam harris

1868
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:16,400
podcast back when it was called waking

1869
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,680
up and uh

1870
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,319
i i guess uh

1871
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:24,799
somehow he was part of being like a

1872
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,359
militant atheist because

1873
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:29,200
you know when i went to do my phd i have

1874
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,559
to do this like language thing so i

1875
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,880
picked biblical hebrew and why i picked

1876
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:34,880
biblic biblical hebrew as opposed to any

1877
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,480
other of the many possible languages

1878
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:38,799
that you could work on was because i

1879
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,920
wanted to

1880
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,680
have revenge on my mother i was a very

1881
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,520
angry person about having been brought

1882
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,520
up in the church and i had a feeling

1883
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:47,119
that if i could read for myself what the

1884
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,559
bible says then i would just have

1885
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:50,640
endless toys to play with

1886
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:54,160
during all kinds of conversations um

1887
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,680
and you know it turns out that you do

1888
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,520
have endless toys when you can read a

1889
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,000
bit of biblical hebrew to play with but

1890
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:02,799
uh i've gotten a lot of peace with that

1891
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,720
and i don't even use it uh anymore but

1892
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,640
sam harris one day driving through the

1893
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,960
united states listening to npr and he

1894
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,240
says

1895
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:13,680
what is this word atheist all about

1896
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,400
anyway

1897
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,160
we don't call people who don't believe

1898
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,720
in astrology non-strologists so it's

1899
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,440
kind of like a silly thing and um that

1900
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,119
kind of hooked me because i like that

1901
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,920
you know i like to cut through the chase

1902
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,839
and get at what's going going on here

1903
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:29,680
and really there's no such thing as

1904
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,079
atheism there's there should be no need

1905
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:34,240
for it it's not an ism in the same way

1906
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:37,680
in logic it's a bad choice to call um

1907
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,720
para consistencies diet diet what is it

1908
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,119
called dialectism right because it's not

1909
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,440
a belief dialecticism is not a belief in

1910
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,119
anything it's just noticing that there

1911
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,440
are sometimes para consistencies you're

1912
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,680
not and it's not ism but somehow they

1913
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:54,079
chose the ism so

1914
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,319
atheism and me being called an atheist

1915
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,559
is already problematic from when i quote

1916
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,880
unquote got into it right but i was

1917
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,119
quite militant about it

1918
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:05,039
and because i'm a bit of a

1919
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,319
theatrical person sometimes you know

1920
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,799
if you're not

1921
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:12,240
part of the solution you're part of the

1922
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:14,960
problem and i saw for a long time

1923
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:17,679
religion religious belief irrational

1924
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:20,480
things as part of the problem and that

1925
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:21,679
somewhat

1926
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:24,480
hasn't changed but it has softened

1927
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:25,759
to

1928
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,319
also look at counter examples counter

1929
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,719
arguments and then realize wait a second

1930
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,359
evolution has forwarded this for a very

1931
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:35,440
long time and if anything it's getting

1932
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,839
stronger

1933
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:39,199
and you know i did a lot of film studies

1934
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,719
et cetera et cetera and it just sort of

1935
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:42,640
doesn't make sense to be

1936
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:43,520
so

1937
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:44,799
black and white

1938
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,480
you're either for the science or you're

1939
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,560
against it kind of thing and studying

1940
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:50,159
sanskrit

1941
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:52,159
really changed

1942
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,159
or deepened my idea and understanding of

1943
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,400
what science is anyway in terms of

1944
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,400
making hypothetical claims

1945
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:00,400
providing evidence for and against

1946
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:03,759
things to either bolster them at least

1947
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,960
for a time

1948
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,560
or discredit them

1949
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:08,560
but also at least for a time and then

1950
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,839
just thinking about n equals one as a

1951
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,920
as a scientific proposition itself which

1952
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:14,880
is

1953
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:21,920
scientific beings and then you know it

1954
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,759
reminded me a lot of nietzsche and

1955
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:28,000
i had a great professor uh

1956
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,520
at european graduate school when i did

1957
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,359
an ma there named fred alfers who was

1958
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,880
the chair of the nietzsche studies

1959
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,880
program there and he had pointed out

1960
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:37,520
nietzsche does not mean god is dead

1961
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:39,040
nietzsche means

1962
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,400
that if that's the way you're gonna

1963
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,440
worship your god he may as well be dead

1964
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,960
and um

1965
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,279
i think that that nuance and and you see

1966
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,199
it in nietzsche when you when you read

1967
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:51,279
it with that in mind that nuance makes

1968
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,159
all the difference in the world

1969
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,120
so that's kind of the journey there and

1970
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:58,640
something about studying you know

1971
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,040
sanskrit and meditating with long-form

1972
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,880
memorization so that you not only

1973
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,560
understand it but you then become depre

1974
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,560
you come to practice it so you remind

1975
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:07,920
yourself of the principles of

1976
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,800
non-duality you remind yourself of

1977
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,880
of flow because your procedural memory

1978
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,960
is so highly trained to do it

1979
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:17,280
then yeah

1980
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,080
i mean

1981
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,560
it's just more words atheism

1982
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:22,239
stuff it's just more words appearing in

1983
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,600
consciousness and that the question

1984
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,440
really is

1985
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,800
what do you do with that moment do you

1986
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,719
enjoy the ride or don't you

1987
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:30,719
do you show up

1988
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:33,040
at your best to help others or don't you

1989
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,910
how does sanskrit help

1990
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:42,229
i don't know that it does although

1991
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:44,719
there there may be something to

1992
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,239
the sanskrit itself i don't know um

1993
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,920
so gary weber who i

1994
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,520
read a lot of his books

1995
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:53,040
he mentions he just sort of like throws

1996
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,360
this away as a comment in happiness

1997
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:57,040
beyond thought that there may be

1998
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:59,120
something about where the tongue touches

1999
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,320
the mouth with certain languages

2000
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,400
that creates certain things in the

2001
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:06,159
default mode network of the brain or the

2002
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:08,239
task positive network of the brain that

2003
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,110
you know the experience of a quote

2004
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,520
unquote deeper state of consciousness

2005
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,520
but really how can if you have

2006
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:19,120
consciousness how could it really be

2007
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,400
deeper

2008
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:22,800
than anything else i don't know uh

2009
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,800
unless you are man you're participating

2010
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:27,120
in the manufacture of that which i think

2011
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,560
you can do without self-delusion um

2012
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,320
but at the end of the day it's not clear

2013
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,800
to me that it has to be sanskrit the

2014
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:36,719
thing is is that the sanskrit that i've

2015
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,640
studied encodes certain messages and so

2016
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:42,960
there's benefits to singing that we know

2017
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:44,239
uh

2018
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:45,600
you know there's studies that show that

2019
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,560
your

2020
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,920
chemicals when you sing

2021
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:51,040
there's

2022
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,400
benefits to

2023
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,239
having certain messages in your mind as

2024
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,920
opposed to other ones and because i use

2025
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,239
a memory palace to do all of this

2026
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,640
uh there's benefits to that as well

2027
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,719
dr tim dalglish has done studies on

2028
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:04,880
using memory palaces to help people with

2029
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:07,360
depression and with

2030
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,480
ptsd that has shown great results

2031
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:12,000
so

2032
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,360
i don't know that it has to be sanskrit

2033
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,280
but i think that there's possibly

2034
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:17,040
something about the way the tongue

2035
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,880
touches the mouth that maybe has some

2036
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,920
benefits

2037
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,199
and there's

2038
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,280
i think there's definitely a message uh

2039
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:25,840
benefit even though it's pretty brutal

2040
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,560
in its consequences in its implications

2041
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,640
uh if you're not ready for it

2042
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,640
so to speak

2043
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:34,640
is there an exercise you can take me

2044
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,679
through

2045
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,560
now

2046
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,120
almost live like

2047
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,199
well wim hof obviously has the wim hof

2048
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,080
exercises that one can do is there one

2049
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,560
obviously would have to be for uh

2050
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:48,159
well it doesn't have to be but i imagine

2051
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,440
it would be great if it was for a

2052
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,600
particular purpose like let's say you

2053
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:53,280
were training me right now to get into a

2054
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,560
state where i can memorize the deck of

2055
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,480
cards and under a minute that's not

2056
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:58,560
going to happen at least not right now

2057
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,600
and

2058
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,120
it may take years to do that but is

2059
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:04,080
there something else that you can is

2060
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,440
there some exercise you can take me

2061
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:07,120
through maybe one that involves sanskrit

2062
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,840
because i i don't know any sanskrit i

2063
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,440
don't know how

2064
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,280
i i haven't said a single word of

2065
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:14,560
sanskrit

2066
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:15,920
consciously

2067
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,360
and i'm curious as to how the

2068
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,840
pronunciation of a particular word may

2069
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:21,440
impact my consciousness in a different

2070
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,719
manner

2071
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,880
um yeah well we could we could cook

2072
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,800
something up yeah yeah let's do it if

2073
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,560
you don't mind anything

2074
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,760
since you mentioned it though it

2075
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:31,280
wouldn't take you years to memorize a

2076
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,719
deck of cards i mean i've never done it

2077
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,560
under a minute but two minutes and 30

2078
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,560
seconds did not take me years it

2079
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,239
wouldn't take you that long

2080
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:40,239
josh iv who wrote the very famous book

2081
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,600
moonwalking with einstein i think it was

2082
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,760
six months before he was off in

2083
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,560
competitive mode uh and did quite well

2084
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:48,000
so it doesn't have to take that long

2085
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,280
yeah deck of cards though is not

2086
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,040
necessarily the high order goal that a

2087
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:53,199
lot of people i was i was being

2088
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,320
facetious right right but in any case if

2089
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,320
you if you wanted to uh boost up

2090
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,640
memorizing sanskrit then within a

2091
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,320
weekend you would have to be able to

2092
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,560
memorize sanskrit how about this anthony

2093
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:06,480
if you don't mind is there a way is

2094
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,760
there some exercise you can take me

2095
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,920
through right now that would

2096
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,320
put my mind that would calm

2097
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,080
me

2098
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:16,080
not that i have a problem with being

2099
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,520
not that i'm not calm right now speaking

2100
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,199
to you but i'm but i'm

2101
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,560
i'm curious

2102
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:22,640
yeah so a very simple one is is called

2103
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:25,280
uh kirtan kriya which is you take your

2104
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:26,400
hands like this

2105
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:28,490
and you go

2106
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,350
apparently in the science you've got to

2107
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,719
do this like for two and a half minutes

2108
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:48,000
or three minutes or something okay to

2109
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:49,360
start to get a benefit and i have to say

2110
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:51,760
it aloud or it can say it in my head

2111
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:54,080
i think you could do both okay

2112
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,360
uh

2113
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:57,120
now

2114
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:01,199
syllables mean something i really don't

2115
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,480
know whether they mean something or not

2116
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:04,960
and i i don't i don't care but

2117
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,360
the the research shows that this

2118
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,280
improves memory concentration and so

2119
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,120
forth and we can do it together for as

2120
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,120
long as you want

2121
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,719
but if you want to get more benefit from

2122
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:16,159
it you don't have to just go

2123
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,430
you can also go

2124
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,350
skip the syllables

2125
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:28,880
now what does that do for you well that

2126
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,120
starts to train you in how memory

2127
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:32,960
techniques work in terms of giving

2128
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,520
premises and recency you through serial

2129
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,920
positioning effect to different quote

2130
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,159
unquote stations in space

2131
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:42,239
and that includes concentration a lot

2132
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:43,760
because then it becomes a bit of a game

2133
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,920
that's challenging

2134
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:47,199
have you

2135
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,120
experimented at all with dual and back

2136
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,199
yeah and you know those things relate to

2137
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,360
these kinds of exercises

2138
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,520
what i like about this as opposed to

2139
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,440
those softwares that people put together

2140
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,760
is it's in your hands you're you're

2141
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,199
producing it

2142
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:05,440
yourself which creates a bit more of a

2143
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,040
challenge it also creates more

2144
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,679
frustration at some level but if you can

2145
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,679
show up to balance that curve between

2146
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,880
challenge and frustration i think you

2147
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,320
get more benefits out of it because

2148
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,960
you're improving the very field of your

2149
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,880
conscious experience

2150
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,480
by using the field itself without

2151
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,480
external reference

2152
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:23,760
even if

2153
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,760
what i'm suggesting to you is externally

2154
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,880
referenced

2155
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,400
you know okay so i'm going to try this

2156
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:29,840
right now if i make a fool of myself

2157
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,840
just please forgive me so i'm going to

2158
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:35,360
going to play around with this and i

2159
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,880
know this may be boring to you for a

2160
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:39,120
minute or so but is it all right if i

2161
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:40,480
do this yeah

2162
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:57,669
okay

2163
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:05,110
uh

2164
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,590
now what i'm doing right now

2165
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,880
is

2166
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:10,719
almost as if i'm playing my own game in

2167
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:17,990
i'm choosing

2168
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,840
i'm trying to choose randomly obviously

2169
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,440
you can't manufacture your own

2170
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,840
randomness but as randomly as i can

2171
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,520
choose

2172
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,920
a different syllable for a different

2173
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:30,000
finger and to try to remember that for

2174
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,590
now is that the

2175
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,920
is that the correct way or am i just

2176
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,000
ruining the exercise how should i be

2177
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,840
doing this essentially

2178
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,440
well it comes back to what you said like

2179
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,280
let's have a goal so if we have a goal

2180
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,880
then we can think about whether the

2181
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,560
technique is correct for getting to that

2182
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,640
goal or not right

2183
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:52,960
playing around and experimenting is is

2184
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,550
in in what i have tried to do maybe we

2185
01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:00,000
should talk about what i tried to do

2186
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:01,679
yeah sure you know like what do you what

2187
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:03,199
are your daily practices how about we

2188
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,400
get to that that's a question i ask

2189
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,239
everyone

2190
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,880
right in the exordium but i didn't ask

2191
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,320
you and i apologize so what are your

2192
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:12,800
daily rituals what are your practices

2193
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:14,719
these practices are all oriented towards

2194
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,400
a specific goal

2195
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,640
which is

2196
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,480
can you silence your mind can you

2197
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:23,120
experience complete mental silence and

2198
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:23,840
so

2199
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,159
the practice is there and this is pretty

2200
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,719
much daily i'm quite good but nobody's i

2201
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,880
don't think anybody's 100 percent but

2202
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,239
i'm pretty close

2203
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,400
every day i recite

2204
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:37,120
what is a growing body of

2205
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,159
sanskrit verses that i've memorized

2206
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:42,560
and i stretch do a little bit of you

2207
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:43,360
know

2208
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:45,679
kind of like yoga stuff

2209
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:46,880
and

2210
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,719
do a bit of silent meditation do some

2211
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,640
walking do some journaling

2212
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:52,239
and then i do

2213
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,920
what in some of these traditions they

2214
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:56,000
call karma yoga which is just to do my

2215
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,960
work

2216
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,880
and let go of the outcome literally

2217
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:00,080
practicing

2218
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,600
letting go of the outcome you know

2219
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:03,280
because thoughts will arise like oh i

2220
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,080
hope this is a successful day etc i hope

2221
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,239
that this helps that person or if only

2222
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,000
this number was higher yeah yeah yeah

2223
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,760
you know all this vanity metrics that

2224
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:13,679
you get into when you're

2225
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:15,760
on the internet and just let it go

2226
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:18,159
practice letting go letting go let it go

2227
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:19,679
um

2228
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:21,920
so basically my ritual is to just do

2229
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:24,880
that all day long but i premise it or

2230
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:27,920
preface it and premise it upon

2231
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,880
daily

2232
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,040
recitation of what i memorized not every

2233
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:34,400
day but often memorizing another piece

2234
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:35,920
to learn more about the philosophy to

2235
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,640
have a longer meditation uh so that it

2236
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:40,560
incrementally grows in time

2237
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,360
and uh just to reflect upon the practice

2238
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:45,679
itself uh

2239
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,640
that's that's basically it

2240
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:50,480
do you mind giving me some

2241
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:55,669
letting go

2242
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:02,149
yeah uh i could give lots of tips uh

2243
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:03,440
i think

2244
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:04,960
the the interesting thing for me about

2245
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:08,640
it and this is the tip is to try to

2246
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:10,640
to try to realize that

2247
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:14,320
you you have a mind that allows you to

2248
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,560
be aware that you have a mind

2249
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,760
and

2250
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:18,880
everything that's coming into

2251
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,280
consciousness

2252
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:23,600
is the mind is that mind it is that

2253
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,560
thing

2254
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,560
that you are

2255
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,560
wrestling with right

2256
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:31,040
so this kind of comes back to oneness

2257
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,080
and what is nonduality really right

2258
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,400
is nonduality sitting around and like

2259
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,840
trying to stop your mind and have

2260
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:39,600
silence all the time or whatever which i

2261
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,840
think is a fun goal i i do work on it i

2262
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:43,520
have had these experiences of total

2263
01:20:46,630 --> 01:20:44,560
silence

2264
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,640
but the real tip is is just to be able

2265
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:48,719
to be in a position where you just deal

2266
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:52,880
with whatever comes period right and so

2267
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:55,120
you know as much as i've practiced over

2268
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:56,080
the years

2269
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:57,840
something will still happen and i'll get

2270
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:00,719
pissed off and then just be able to

2271
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,040
wait this is a thing that's appearing in

2272
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:05,920
this field of consciousness

2273
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,480
and then just deal with it work with it

2274
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,560
yeah and just you know you know a lot of

2275
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:12,480
people will say label it

2276
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,679
but then

2277
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:15,199
i think you go deeper

2278
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,719
or deeper

2279
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,360
you you just say i'm you realize you're

2280
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,840
even labeling the thing and then you're

2281
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,199
why are you doing it well because you

2282
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,280
have this fantasy that some strategy of

2283
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,679
labeling is going to now dissolve or

2284
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:30,000
neutralize the anger whereas there's

2285
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:31,199
also

2286
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,719
the realization of the idea that doing

2287
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,120
something in response to the lab you

2288
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:39,120
know is then going to have this magic

2289
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:41,840
effect i see i think really what you are

2290
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:45,199
doing i'm trying to do is be more aware

2291
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,880
of this

2292
01:21:50,630 --> 01:21:48,560
idea that there's magic that you could

2293
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:50,640
somehow change

2294
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,639
whatever your biology is doing as

2295
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:55,199
opposed to having strategies to just be

2296
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,280
with the biology

2297
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:58,960
you know like eckhart tolle would say

2298
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,600
beyond name and form you know just

2299
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,000
even the guy who shows up to label the

2300
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,480
experience as if the labeling is somehow

2301
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:08,000
going to do something

2302
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,679
you're now

2303
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,679
experiencing that as yet another thing

2304
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,199
that is appearing in this field of

2305
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,360
consciousness okay so working on that

2306
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,679
practice is the biggest tip how do you

2307
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,679
do that well you just get started and

2308
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:21,760
you keep practicing and you set up the

2309
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,159
game so that your mind yourself reminds

2310
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,320
you and that's procedural memory

2311
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:27,840
how do you do that well i would highly

2312
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,880
recommend memorizing some text that is

2313
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,520
written for that precise purpose

2314
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,920
and do it daily and even throughout the

2315
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,960
day

2316
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:38,880
so that instead of oh now i'm going to

2317
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:40,639
label angry and then that's going to

2318
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,360
like help me it set instead of that you

2319
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,199
have something else which is more like

2320
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,800
what i talked about in the ted talks are

2321
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,800
these thoughts useful how do they behave

2322
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:51,120
there's 30 or there's 28 more questions

2323
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,840
that you can ask and they're very useful

2324
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:56,080
i have about 28 questions right now so

2325
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:58,000
i'll pick one or two of them one of them

2326
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,960
is

2327
01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:00,719
when you mention how do i how does how

2328
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,840
do these thoughts behave that one

2329
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,520
actually isn't useful for me the first

2330
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,760
one is i actually like that first one i

2331
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:07,360
used it last night are these thoughts

2332
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:09,440
useful but then how do i how do these

2333
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,960
thoughts behave

2334
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,639
i don't know

2335
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,560
why this is but for whatever reason that

2336
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,840
actually brings me into more

2337
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:18,320
introspection and makes me observe the

2338
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,600
thoughts and watch how they flow and

2339
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,280
relate to one another rather than an

2340
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,280
elimination of the thoughts or a

2341
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:25,199
calmness of the mind it's more like

2342
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:26,719
that's helping me

2343
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,440
think about thoughts which is still

2344
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,520
thinking so i like the first one i

2345
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:33,600
didn't find the second one helpful but

2346
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:34,400
i

2347
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,000
to what you have when you say how do

2348
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,920
these thoughts behave maybe i'm thinking

2349
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:41,280
of it differently forget about that

2350
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,560
we're going to put it to the side and i

2351
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,239
can come back to that what you mentioned

2352
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:46,560
earlier was

2353
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,440
that

2354
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,600
let's imagine there's irritation

2355
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:52,000
annoyance anger fear

2356
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:53,600
boredom these

2357
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:55,520
let's

2358
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,600
you're saying

2359
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,679
kurt if you go into it thinking i don't

2360
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:03,360
want this so let me apply some technique

2361
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,120
to eliminate it that itself is

2362
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,880
well

2363
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,280
it's still an an object in consciousness

2364
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,760
it's still a want and thus you're not

2365
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:15,760
getting to the core of the issue instead

2366
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,070
the elimination of boredom or anxiety or

2367
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:23,840
fear or anger

2368
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,520
is more the result of some other process

2369
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,280
and but if you try to just eliminate it

2370
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:31,520
then you're going about it incorrectly

2371
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,520
is that correct or is that inane

2372
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:37,360
no i just would

2373
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:38,800
would say that the

2374
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:40,960
the observation would then be correct

2375
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,520
according to what according to to whom

2376
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,760
and to who is it

2377
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,840
that the very notion of correctness

2378
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:50,000
appears so this is where it can sound

2379
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:52,400
like super frustrating but in a lot of

2380
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:53,760
these non-duality things it's just like

2381
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:56,239
this is where your foucault comes out

2382
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:57,360
maybe

2383
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,560
because foucault and non-duality are not

2384
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,400
that different not that different right

2385
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,400
what is foucault saying at least in

2386
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:07,440
crime or discipline and punish um he's

2387
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:08,719
saying

2388
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,920
well yeah

2389
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,080
these these peripraxies and freudian

2390
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:14,880
slips are always fascinating if you want

2391
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,320
to indulge in being fascinated by

2392
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:20,560
okay okay which i do sometimes but

2393
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:23,199
anyway the point is you know foucault is

2394
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:26,239
talking about a process by which you

2395
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,880
internalize the surveillance so that the

2396
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:31,040
surveillance doesn't even have to exist

2397
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,590
let me stop you there okay let me think

2398
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,199
about that internalize the surveillance

2399
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,440
so that the surveillance doesn't exist

2400
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:41,360
it doesn't have to it doesn't have to

2401
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,560
exist

2402
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:44,719
that subtlety matters yeah do you mind

2403
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,679
explaining what that means so

2404
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:47,520
internalize the surveillance first let's

2405
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,719
take it right there so what is the

2406
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,480
surveillance

2407
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,320
well we're now like playing a game here

2408
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:54,880
where foucault is now suddenly a a great

2409
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,520
sage but um

2410
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:59,199
i think that it's a i think it's a good

2411
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:00,000
a

2412
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:12,880
prisoner

2413
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,520
has internalized the image of the camera

2414
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:18,719
to such an extent that they behave as if

2415
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,840
it was real

2416
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:21,520
and they behave in such a way that they

2417
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,480
monitor their own behavior as if the

2418
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,960
consequences of the camera that may or

2419
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,280
may not be real is real and those

2420
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:31,199
consequences are real

2421
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,400
so

2422
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,000
if we translate that to the idea of

2423
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,560
non-duality and the spiritual or

2424
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,719
philosophical state of being able to

2425
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,400
manage yourself

2426
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:42,800
to such an extent that you are free and

2427
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:45,199
peaceful and satwik as they say in uh

2428
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:47,199
sanskrit which is just you know

2429
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:49,199
bliss uh

2430
01:26:52,110 --> 01:26:50,800
well then that

2431
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:52,120
yeah it's

2432
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,199
s-a-t-t-v-i-c uh so i guess it i'm not a

2433
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:57,120
sanskritist but i guess if you're like

2434
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:58,880
really hardcore whatever a lot of that i

2435
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,520
got a lot of these become w's like it's

2436
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:03,920
bagawad gita not bhagavad anyway

2437
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:05,520
whatever oh okay okay that's the

2438
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:07,040
opposite of german well i mean like

2439
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,400
german takes the doubles and making it

2440
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:10,000
into a v

2441
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:13,520
yeah i mean i guess i guess i guess so

2442
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:14,560
um

2443
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,880
in any case

2444
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,400
i think i think it's an interesting way

2445
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,560
to think about it because

2446
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:26,560
if you read someone like shinzen young's

2447
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,920
the science of enlightenment which is a

2448
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,880
great book

2449
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,560
he basically says

2450
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,440
do all the stuff meditate etc but the

2451
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,239
minute you think that you're somehow in

2452
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,960
a blissful state or whatever that's the

2453
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:41,280
minute that you say to whom is this

2454
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,639
actually occurring

2455
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:44,639
well who is it that thinks oh now this

2456
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,440
is bliss right that's what you're after

2457
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,159
you're after the image

2458
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:52,400
that thinks it is experiencing the image

2459
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:53,920
as if it's somehow different than the

2460
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:57,360
image that it's experiencing right okay

2461
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:58,560
and so now if we go back to the

2462
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,719
panopticon thing the goal of the

2463
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,040
surveillance state is to make it that

2464
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:05,120
that person is so connected with the

2465
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,560
idea of surveillance that the

2466
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:08,480
surveillance doesn't even have to exist

2467
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,960
they are just obedient power has

2468
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:12,960
conducted the conduct of others to such

2469
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:15,440
an extent that they obey even in the

2470
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:16,800
absence of

2471
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,199
something to monitor this and shenzhen

2472
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,920
young is essentially saying that true

2473
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:24,000
non-dual experience

2474
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,480
has had something exactly like that you

2475
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,320
no longer are sitting there thinking i'm

2476
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:30,320
blissful or i'm not blissful or yadda

2477
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,440
yadda yadda you are now just so one with

2478
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,840
whatever is happening that you are what

2479
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:37,679
is happening you don't sit there and

2480
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:40,400
monitor it you don't have the this idea

2481
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:42,320
that you know oh this is an image that's

2482
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,880
appearing in me and the image now has

2483
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:47,040
multiple images inside of it no no this

2484
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,320
is all just disappeared it is now just

2485
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,800
happening without commentary right

2486
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,400
because

2487
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:57,120
you now know that

2488
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,840
you are it the the sanskrit tattoo you

2489
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,679
are that

2490
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:03,760
that's two thoughts occur to me anthony

2491
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:05,360
when i hear that

2492
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,669
an objection

2493
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,960
one is

2494
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,719
how do i know this is not i'm not

2495
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,639
fighting dory it's just

2496
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:16,800
intellectual curiosity how does one know

2497
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,760
that the feeling of the screen

2498
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,920
or is the perceiver and the perceived

2499
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,040
being

2500
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:24,800
one of the same how does one know that

2501
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,440
that itself is not an illusion

2502
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:29,679
in the same way that we're so deluded on

2503
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:32,239
a regular basis in our everyday life is

2504
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,120
to thinking that there's that

2505
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:35,040
distinction and then one says well you

2506
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,560
can get to a state where that's blurred

2507
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:38,639
and it's all one and you no longer have

2508
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:39,840
that

2509
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:41,440
distancing it's all just

2510
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:42,560
one

2511
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:47,280
that itself is not an illusion that's

2512
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:48,400
question number one i'm gonna get back

2513
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:50,080
to that don't worry i'll delineate these

2514
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,520
again then question number two was

2515
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,000
was about the point of it

2516
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,080
sometimes when i hear people in the

2517
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,480
non-duality community speak nothing

2518
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,719
against non-duality i think i may be on

2519
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,960
the route to becoming a non-dualist i

2520
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:06,880
don't know i don't know as i explore

2521
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,960
this podcast more and more i'm getting

2522
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,400
pulled in so many directions that i'm

2523
01:30:13,030 --> 01:30:12,400
becoming both a duelist a pluralist and

2524
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:13,040
a

2525
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:16,400
it's

2526
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:17,840
if that's the point that's the point

2527
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:20,000
right because if you really get into

2528
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:21,120
this

2529
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:22,880
the answer to the question is another

2530
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:25,440
question to whom is the very question

2531
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:26,560
appearing

2532
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,199
right and from a non-dualist perspective

2533
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:31,440
the question is appearing to us right

2534
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:33,360
now as we're connected in this one

2535
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:35,040
moment we are

2536
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,800
it's irrelevant whether there's a god or

2537
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:38,239
there isn't a god it's irrelevant

2538
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,320
whether there's duality or non-duality

2539
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,400
or all that sort of stuff

2540
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,360
this is it right and five minutes ago

2541
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:47,199
was it five minutes from now well what

2542
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,639
is five minutes from now five minutes

2543
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:50,480
from now is an image that's appearing to

2544
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,159
us right now as we converge upon then

2545
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,080
yeah so i know it's frustrating but

2546
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:57,760
that's basically what they're trying to

2547
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:58,639
get at

2548
01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:01,600
that was that i find insightful which is

2549
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:04,159
the understanding that the future itself

2550
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:05,760
the concept of the future itself is

2551
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,080
another content in consciousness and all

2552
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:09,840
that you have our contents and

2553
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:11,360
consciousness including the concept of

2554
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:12,960
time including the concepts including

2555
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:15,199
the concept of having anything

2556
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:16,719
right including the concept of having

2557
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:18,719
including the concept of consciousness

2558
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:19,679
itself

2559
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:22,000
so well that one it's

2560
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,400
it's far too

2561
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,960
meta for me to experience

2562
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,880
during this conversation that one i

2563
01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:30,400
imagine i would need to close my eyes

2564
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:31,520
because i'm not as trained as you i

2565
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:32,719
would need to close my eyes for about 10

2566
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:35,440
minutes to get to a state where i can

2567
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,719
where i can understand that at an

2568
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:38,800
intuitive level or i can experience it

2569
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:40,159
rather than try to intellectually

2570
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:42,000
understand it so let's forget about that

2571
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:43,920
the first question my objection is let's

2572
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:45,520
not forget about that because that's the

2573
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,480
point

2574
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,560
it's not about training or experience or

2575
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:50,880
anything like that if you are conscious

2576
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:53,040
you are conscious period whether you've

2577
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:55,440
trained it or not so the idea that i

2578
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:57,920
have more consciousness than you or or

2579
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,760
the idea that some dude sitting in a

2580
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:02,000
cave has more because he's meditated for

2581
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:03,520
way longer than we have and he's

2582
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:05,760
memorized way more sanskrit has more

2583
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,400
consciousness than you or i do no no

2584
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:10,560
that that's that's what we're trying to

2585
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,320
eliminate or at least that's what the i

2586
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,920
find the authentic teachers of this

2587
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:15,679
tradition is trying to eliminate that

2588
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:17,920
idea that there's somehow any sort of

2589
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,639
level or difference or this that or the

2590
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:22,480
other thing you can close your eyes you

2591
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:24,400
cannot close your eyes it's all just

2592
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:26,480
appearing in consciousness as it is now

2593
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:28,880
and as consciousness is now you can't

2594
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:30,960
take anything away from it you can't cut

2595
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,719
it you can't divide it you can't this

2596
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:34,880
that or the other thing because

2597
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,960
what would that mean right it's just

2598
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:38,159
endless

2599
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:41,040
stacking on of trying to get at the

2600
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,800
thing that is producing the thing that

2601
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:44,239
you're

2602
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:45,600
you know

2603
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:47,920
i i unders i don't understand sorry i

2604
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:49,360
understand it at intellectual level what

2605
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:51,760
i mean to say and i know that there's an

2606
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:52,719
absolute difference between

2607
01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:55,199
understanding it it's at an abstract

2608
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:57,120
cognitive level versus embodying it or

2609
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:58,719
feeling it now you may say that that's

2610
01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:00,159
also not a distinction that needs to be

2611
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:01,600
made but i

2612
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:04,480
when i say that what i mean to say is

2613
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:07,920
there is absolutely a difference between

2614
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:09,760
trying to explicate what love is and

2615
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:11,520
define in terms of oxytocin and

2616
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:12,639
understanding in terms of its

2617
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:14,880
biochemical interactions and feeling

2618
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:16,400
love those are absolutely different so

2619
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:17,760
what i'm saying is

2620
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:19,520
perhaps during this conversation i make

2621
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:20,560
it get to the point where i can

2622
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,120
intellectually understand the ideas of

2623
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,520
non-duality but i don't think i can feel

2624
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,520
it maybe i can and i would love to maybe

2625
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:29,120
we can get through some exercise i don't

2626
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:30,080
think i can feel it during this

2627
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:31,840
conversation though as you

2628
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,960
though

2629
01:33:36,430 --> 01:33:34,560
unlike some of the spiritual leaders

2630
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,440
which would say that the

2631
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:38,880
intellectualization of

2632
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,199
some of these

2633
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:43,679
spiritual concepts actually removes you

2634
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,440
from where you should be i don't know if

2635
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:47,199
that's the case because

2636
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:49,199
i found what you said about the future

2637
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:50,880
being encapsulated in the present moment

2638
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:52,080
too

2639
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,000
to be insightful and that actually helps

2640
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:56,080
me i can imagine that helps me later

2641
01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:57,600
when i'm

2642
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:00,080
meditating or trying to feel as if i'm

2643
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:02,960
one or as if there's nothing else beside

2644
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:07,990
getting back to what i was saying the

2645
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:09,600
there's number one which is the illusion

2646
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:12,000
how do you know that the oneness itself

2647
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:14,320
isn't an illusion

2648
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,520
i've always wondered this when sam

2649
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:17,440
harris and many others say well the i is

2650
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:19,120
an illusion it's a persistent illusion

2651
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:21,120
well how do you know the

2652
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:22,800
the idea that the eye is an illusion

2653
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:27,910
okay so that

2654
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:29,920
so that's one we can explore we'll get

2655
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:31,920
back we'll get back to that number two

2656
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,719
is

2657
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:34,080
when you mentioned about quantifying

2658
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:35,360
consciousness

2659
01:34:38,709 --> 01:34:37,040
and relating it between different people

2660
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,719
like you said

2661
01:34:43,110 --> 01:34:40,560
you're not more conscious or you don't

2662
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:43,120
have more consciousness than i do and

2663
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:46,000
and someone in a cave who's a prodigious

2664
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:48,560
meditator doesn't and so on so on okay

2665
01:34:50,709 --> 01:34:49,840
well that's interesting then it made me

2666
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:50,719
wonder

2667
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,639
well what about zero consciousness is

2668
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:55,199
there such

2669
01:35:02,470 --> 01:35:00,880
existence of zero consciousness we're

2670
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:02,480
going to explore that i'm just giving

2671
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:04,560
you the table of contents right now

2672
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:05,840
right and then number three what i

2673
01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:08,239
wanted to know was what's the point so

2674
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:09,920
yeah that's the big question right the

2675
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:12,320
pregnancy because some of these people

2676
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:13,360
that are

2677
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:15,520
more spiritual non-dualist types would

2678
01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:17,920
say look how little fear i have look how

2679
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:19,840
little look how calm and equinimitable i

2680
01:35:23,550 --> 01:35:21,600
am but then

2681
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:23,560
the point is not

2682
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:26,239
imperturbableness it's not to pursue

2683
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:27,199
that

2684
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:28,800
so then i'm wondering well what is the

2685
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:30,080
point what is the point then they're

2686
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,600
like there is no point okay so then why

2687
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,040
should i be like you you don't have to

2688
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:35,920
be like me okay well what's the point of

2689
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:38,480
what what am i to do okay those are the

2690
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:39,440
three

2691
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:41,199
right we have the illusion how do i know

2692
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:42,639
that the oneness isn't an illusion

2693
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,400
number two is is there such a thing as

2694
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,320
zero consciousness and number three what

2695
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:48,480
is the point let's tackle them one by

2696
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:50,400
one is that okay well which one you want

2697
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:51,600
to start with let's start with number

2698
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:54,400
one so how do how does one know that the

2699
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,480
illusion sorry how does one know that

2700
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,880
this oneness itself isn't an illusion

2701
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,239
now i'm going to change my headphones

2702
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:01,600
because this one's about to die all

2703
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:03,520
right

2704
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:05,520
and i'll get a sip of water

2705
01:36:09,110 --> 01:36:06,639
good

2706
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:09,120
i've been doing this

2707
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,400
um

2708
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:12,480
anthony i've been doing this all day but

2709
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:16,000
this is energizing me so

2710
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:17,679
don't worry

2711
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:19,040
hold on i can't hear you i guess i

2712
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:20,159
should have been supposed to give me a

2713
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:21,840
second

2714
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:29,270
okay hello hello hello

2715
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,840
hello hello see if the people in the

2716
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:33,760
chat are still here and how many people

2717
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:35,199
there are and if they have any pressing

2718
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,639
questions as well

2719
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:38,080
thank you how are you enjoying this is

2720
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:43,110
anthony

2721
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:44,239
you're asking that to me or is it the

2722
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:47,119
chat yeah yeah you you

2723
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,560
uh

2724
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:51,040
yeah i'm having lots of fun um

2725
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:53,440
but i i sort of am aware that

2726
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,719
this can get into like a kind of

2727
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,880
intellectual noodling that

2728
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:58,880
it is the question of always what is the

2729
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,560
point and i think that a lot of the

2730
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:02,960
point that we get to is

2731
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:04,719
that some of us just really enjoy this

2732
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,360
kind of stuff and others you know uh

2733
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:09,760
haven't come to experience this flavor

2734
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:12,800
of intellectual jazz but uh

2735
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:14,880
in terms of knowing whether the

2736
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:17,440
illusion is an illusion or it isn't i

2737
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:20,560
don't know that we get to know and

2738
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:22,719
that's that's the question of hard

2739
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:26,719
solipsism versus soft solipsism or

2740
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:29,040
no solipsism and

2741
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:30,639
i think most people who think about this

2742
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:33,280
agree that the threat of hard solipsism

2743
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:35,040
whether you're in a spiritual tradition

2744
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:36,960
or not

2745
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,800
can lead to nihilism uh it's it's almost

2746
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,560
you you'd be kind of strange if you

2747
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:44,880
didn't go through nihilism as a result

2748
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:47,440
of this these thought processes if only

2749
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:48,400
for a time

2750
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:49,840
and in the spiritual world they often

2751
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,600
call that the dark knight of the soul

2752
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,840
you know because you can't know

2753
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:55,360
you can't know whether it's an illusion

2754
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,760
or not uh what are they calling the dark

2755
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,239
knight nihilism or something else

2756
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:02,400
well i'm drawing a parallel and it may

2757
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:05,360
not be in the same way that foucault's

2758
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:08,080
panopticon is is not exactly a great

2759
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:09,760
perfect analogy for

2760
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:11,600
non-duality um

2761
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:14,239
this is not a great perfect fit either

2762
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:18,560
but i think that in hard solipsism

2763
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:20,320
there's a parallel to be made with what

2764
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,920
happens in dark knight of the soul

2765
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:23,760
because if you can't solve the problem

2766
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,159
if you can't really figure out how do i

2767
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:28,560
know whether this is an illusion or not

2768
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,400
then you know nihilism is the kind of

2769
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:34,560
direct consequence of that because then

2770
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:35,679
so what

2771
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:37,600
what is the purpose who cares look at

2772
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,520
guys like zizek i i like zigzag i had

2773
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:41,040
him as a professor at european graduates

2774
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:42,880
oh did you that's pretty cool

2775
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:45,520
the guy seems to me like the joker of

2776
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:46,960
of um

2777
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,880
philosophy right like he

2778
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:50,960
he's just so willing to make jokes about

2779
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:53,199
lenin this and off to the gulag to you

2780
01:39:02,390 --> 01:38:59,669
pouring out endless things that just you

2781
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,400
can't really follow the thread

2782
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:04,800
and i think that that's the point he's a

2783
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:07,280
performative philosopher who is

2784
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:08,800
essentially

2785
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:09,840
saying

2786
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,719
in a zen-like kind of way good luck

2787
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,560
figure out my co-ans because they're

2788
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,040
just going to lead you to the conclusion

2789
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,360
that i never tried to make sense what

2790
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,840
would it mean to make sense right sense

2791
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:23,840
is a thing that's appearing right now

2792
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:26,000
here there if i said something five

2793
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,520
minutes ago and you're holding me to

2794
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:29,520
this now well then you're obviously a

2795
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:30,400
fellow

2796
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,800
for logos interest this and

2797
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,400
off to the google active you know like

2798
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,960
it's just it's complete

2799
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,960
what the heck right and i think it's

2800
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,480
done on purpose

2801
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:43,360
you know and lacan who jesus is a

2802
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,679
disciple of lacan

2803
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:47,920
said that that's what legan said to do

2804
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,480
he's like this is highly performative

2805
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,719
you want to create a master slave

2806
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,400
relationship between yourself and the

2807
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,280
analyzand and you know in order to play

2808
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,960
the master slave you've got to pivot

2809
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:00,400
you've got to turn and you've got to

2810
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,119
turn in ways that are convenient to the

2811
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:05,119
moment convenient to whatever is

2812
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:06,560
happening and that's what g-shek just

2813
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,560
does and he does it

2814
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:10,719
large scale in front of lots and lots of

2815
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,639
people and it's never gonna come to a

2816
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:15,520
point because it's too zen in its nature

2817
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,440
it's two master slave relationship in

2818
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,840
his nature to have a point because there

2819
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:21,840
isn't one right is there something wrong

2820
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,360
with the master slave relationship

2821
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:27,920
uh in the con

2822
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,880
the reason why i'm saying this is

2823
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:30,960
because it seems like some of the

2824
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,119
jumping off point is to say that door

2825
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,199
one or door two door one would lead you

2826
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:37,280
to a master slave relationship

2827
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:38,960
master slave is wrong so therefore door

2828
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,880
two is the option i don't know if i'm

2829
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:42,400
understanding that correctly but i do

2830
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:44,800
hear that in lacon and and i don't know

2831
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:46,880
much about jizek other than

2832
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,880
he's inscrutable to me and i need to pay

2833
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,480
attention some more because i would love

2834
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:52,239
to talk to him for this podcast can't

2835
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,239
seem to get a hold of him though

2836
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:55,840
either way i would love to talk to him

2837
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:59,360
and i'm curious is there something

2838
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,600
to be avoided about this master slave

2839
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:03,600
relationship and is there something to

2840
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:04,800
be

2841
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:07,679
is is it laudable so is it both

2842
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,239
to be avoided to be lauded

2843
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,239
i don't know at the end of the day but

2844
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:14,400
what i do know is that

2845
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:16,960
that idea that you would willfully take

2846
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,920
on a potentially destructive viewpoint

2847
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:21,360
has

2848
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,159
a it's a flavor in psychology like if

2849
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:26,400
you look at anti-psychiatry with thomas

2850
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:29,280
as and all that sort of stuff um

2851
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:32,159
it's very difficult because basically

2852
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:34,639
psychoanalysis i i should rather say but

2853
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:36,719
i think zaz was anti-psychiatry was the

2854
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,520
term that he used there um but

2855
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,199
i mean i went through psychoanalysis

2856
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,199
myself so i'm not just sort of like

2857
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,199
jamming on it out of nowhere but the guy

2858
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,360
that i went through psychoanalysis with

2859
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:49,440
he was much more freudian in the sense

2860
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,719
of creating a symbolic father figure

2861
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,560
and that symbolic figure

2862
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:56,159
needed

2863
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:58,080
a certain amount of symbolic behavior on

2864
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,040
my part in order for it to function as

2865
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,280
the symbolic father right

2866
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,119
in the kanyen terms this would be big s

2867
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:07,520
over little s and in

2868
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:09,679
g-x terms this would be the big other

2869
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:12,320
sort of thing now the difference is is

2870
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:14,159
that

2871
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,840
lacan will

2872
01:42:20,470 --> 01:42:17,840
be like a joker just like throwing stuff

2873
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,480
out like exp wild experiments because

2874
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,639
knowing you're gonna die zero sum game

2875
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:24,480
so you know if you're going to be lost

2876
01:42:28,149 --> 01:42:26,560
in fantasy you'd better learn earlier

2877
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:28,159
that the fantasy is often a lot more

2878
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,239
pleasurable than the reality and you you

2879
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,080
know build some filters that help you

2880
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:34,000
figure that out and i'll just play

2881
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,679
whatever role you need me to play in

2882
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,679
this moment no truth because what would

2883
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,960
truth mean truth is just the thing

2884
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,560
that's appearing in you now you're

2885
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,080
always stuck in the now you're going to

2886
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,080
make decisions based on biological

2887
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,320
imperatives etc etc

2888
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,080
so we'll just play a game you and i i'll

2889
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,560
be the master according to your position

2890
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,320
as a slave right now i think that that's

2891
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:54,080
not great at the end of the day if you

2892
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,679
ask me personally

2893
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:57,600
but it's there it's in the world right

2894
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,000
it's a flavor and uh some people adopt

2895
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,719
it for whatever reasons and i think that

2896
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:04,639
people who are psycho psychoanalyzed by

2897
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:07,280
lacan or in a laconian thread they're

2898
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:09,280
much more likely to wind up like a zizek

2899
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:10,480
figure

2900
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,639
which is a little bit wild unhinged

2901
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,480
shooting from the hip but very aware

2902
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,320
that that's exactly what they're doing

2903
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,960
and knowing that or thinking that part

2904
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:20,400
of their healing

2905
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,560
is precisely because that that's the way

2906
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:24,480
they're operating right because that was

2907
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:25,840
that's what it means to be fully

2908
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:28,000
psychoanalyzed in the lacanian sense

2909
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:29,040
okay in the sense that i was

2910
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:30,480
psychoanalyzed this is a little bit

2911
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:32,159
different

2912
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,360
slavoy

2913
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:35,280
you think that he's aware

2914
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:36,880
that he

2915
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:37,760
isn't

2916
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,520
making sense to the

2917
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,840
regular person or to the standard

2918
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:43,199
observer

2919
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:46,000
i feel confident that i can make that

2920
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:48,400
uh statement because he himself has

2921
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:51,760
talked about zen a lot right and so you

2922
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,719
can read books or this is in interviews

2923
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:56,480
with him published interviews and books

2924
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:01,119
where he reflects on zen its role in

2925
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:03,760
both lacanian psycho analysis in in

2926
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:05,360
dairy diet okay so let's imagine he's

2927
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,880
doing that i don't

2928
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,159
i don't have any objections to that

2929
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:10,320
let's imagine he's doing that and the

2930
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:12,400
reason he's doing that is because it's

2931
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,600
healing in some manner or because why

2932
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:17,360
that i don't know you gotta ask him

2933
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,960
because you mentioned healing just a

2934
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:20,400
second ago you mentioned that through

2935
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:22,239
this process of

2936
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:23,760
of critiquing it all or showing that

2937
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:28,709
not foolish but that it's all a joke in

2938
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:32,239
some manner that that heals

2939
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:34,000
well it can heal i mean that's that's

2940
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:34,880
the thing

2941
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,360
in in the psychoanalytic frame it's

2942
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:38,880
thought that just something about the

2943
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:41,040
psychoanalytic frame itself is healing

2944
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:43,040
or even just a therapeutic frame the

2945
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:46,719
very symbolic act of entering a theater

2946
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:48,880
in which healing is said to occur is

2947
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,960
supposedly going to be healing at some

2948
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:52,880
level now obviously this is not the case

2949
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,360
but that's part of the uh or it doesn't

2950
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:57,440
have to be the case because you know the

2951
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,280
theater of being in a symbolic healing

2952
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:00,880
situation they can still give you a drug

2953
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,639
that causes you to jump off a bridge you

2954
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:05,040
know because that's what the consequence

2955
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:06,960
of some drugs do

2956
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:09,600
so you know i find it quite dangerous

2957
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,080
and quite strange and by the way i'm

2958
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,229
saying what i think i don't know that

2959
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,320
these things are true uh necessarily

2960
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:20,080
about g jack and i have spent a lot of

2961
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,400
time in a room with him so that's partly

2962
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:24,639
uh yeah witnessed

2963
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:25,679
this

2964
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:28,560
the reason i was asking was only because

2965
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,280
it sounds like lacan welcome i believe

2966
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:33,520
is a post-modernist

2967
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:35,280
i don't even know what post-modernism

2968
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:37,840
means you know i do but i don't yeah

2969
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:39,600
yeah okay in the sense that he doesn't

2970
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:42,239
believe that there are any truths

2971
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,840
no i don't think that that's that's what

2972
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,280
i would say

2973
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:49,590
okay so my take on all of this is that

2974
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:52,080
post-modernism is a very weird word that

2975
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:53,920
somehow has

2976
01:45:57,189 --> 01:45:56,239
taken taken from art and then been

2977
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:57,199
applied to what's called

2978
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:58,639
post-structuralism i don't know if i'm

2979
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,400
correct about that but i find it very

2980
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,480
strange to hear anybody being called a

2981
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,320
post-modernist even though i do know

2982
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:05,920
that people use it that way i just don't

2983
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,679
know why because

2984
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,440
post-modernism is like when you put red

2985
01:46:13,109 --> 01:46:11,440
on a wall and then you say

2986
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:13,119
that's going to cause you to reflect on

2987
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:14,719
all sorts of things about the nature of

2988
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:17,119
art because you know it's a reference to

2989
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,119
redness as such and oh yeah yeah it

2990
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:21,280
looks fine by me that sounds like a

2991
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,199
great mental exercise and it is

2992
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:25,040
postmodern because modernism painted in

2993
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:26,719
a particular way yeah you correctly

2994
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:28,000
pointed out when you watched the

2995
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:29,920
documentary better left unsaid as a

2996
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:31,360
little plug better left and said as a

2997
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,600
documentary i was directing

2998
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,880
thank you thank you i appreciate it

2999
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,560
about the extreme left what makes the

3000
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:38,880
extreme left extreme and then we touch

3001
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:41,760
on the right as well you can watch that

3002
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:44,159
at betterleftonsetfilm.com

3003
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,840
when i sent it to you you correctly

3004
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:47,679
pointed out that modernism is different

3005
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:50,239
than modernity and i

3006
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,880
conflated those two in the film that was

3007
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,719
slightly

3008
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:56,880
well it was both an accident and then on

3009
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:58,800
purpose the reason it's an accident was

3010
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:59,520
just

3011
01:47:02,310 --> 01:47:00,880
because i made that mistake and then the

3012
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,320
reason it's on purpose

3013
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:04,400
is that that's how people use the term

3014
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,360
and so that's why i put a little

3015
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,119
subtitle at the bottom and i said when i

3016
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,920
say modernism i mean modernity which is

3017
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:11,440
the philosophical strain that comes up

3018
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,040
after in the after the enlightenment or

3019
01:47:17,109 --> 01:47:15,119
that precipitated the enlightenment okay

3020
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:17,119
anyway now that you have that yes you're

3021
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:18,400
making a difference a distinction

3022
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:19,920
between the artistic post-modernism and

3023
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:21,440
the philosophical

3024
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:22,800
well i think it's important because if

3025
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:23,920
there's one thing that these

3026
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:25,520
post-modernists have in common is that

3027
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:27,520
they wildly throw around words and they

3028
01:47:32,070 --> 01:47:30,480
just use them in in way they like recast

3029
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:32,080
words and

3030
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:33,600
whether they're right or wrong to do so

3031
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:35,360
i don't i can't be the judge of that but

3032
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,000
it is it is exactly that sort of

3033
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,400
being the joker just throwing stuff out

3034
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,119
there and you know not really having

3035
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:45,440
some sort of compass or

3036
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:47,360
or foundation to which all these things

3037
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:50,639
point and just playing a wild game

3038
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:52,639
and so truth it's not i don't think it's

3039
01:47:56,350 --> 01:47:54,320
the case that they don't think truth

3040
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:56,360
exists it's just

3041
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:57,920
factuality

3042
01:48:02,550 --> 01:47:59,520
is contingent

3043
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:02,560
and that is the premise of science right

3044
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:03,600
it is

3045
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:06,239
factual based on evidence

3046
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:08,480
but that is contingent upon its

3047
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:11,040
falsifiability and the appearance of new

3048
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:14,000
evidence right so often in the atheist

3049
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,440
world you'll hear people say well the

3050
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,960
time to believe in something is when

3051
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:18,960
there's evidence that substantiates the

3052
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:20,560
claim

3053
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,080
sufficient to

3054
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,560
us believing in it but that in itself

3055
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:26,239
kind of folds in on itself given what

3056
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,080
science is because science is itself

3057
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:30,880
contingent upon not only falsifiability

3058
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,280
but the idea that we will test and

3059
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:35,199
re-test and continue to build the

3060
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:38,080
profile so to speak and mathematically

3061
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,600
and this is where the quote-unquote

3062
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:42,480
post-modernism modernist people go a

3063
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,679
little bit wild because they're like

3064
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:45,520
yeah mathematically exponentially

3065
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:48,159
everything is completely you know

3066
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:50,320
going to be uh unproven because the

3067
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:51,760
burden of evidence will event or

3068
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,280
whatever right like they just play these

3069
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:55,199
kinds of exponential games and they do

3070
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:57,440
that with language itself so language

3071
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:59,600
exponentially is gonna fall apart

3072
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:00,560
because

3073
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:03,199
it is contingent on the present use our

3074
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:04,880
use right now and words are going to

3075
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:07,040
change over time etc at least that's how

3076
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:08,639
i understand a lot of that stuff so it's

3077
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,159
not that truth doesn't exist it's just

3078
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:12,480
that truth is often contingent upon its

3079
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,760
use which is the problem with fake news

3080
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:16,960
which we see

3081
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,760
all the time you know uh is

3082
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:22,560
is that the truth is just constantly

3083
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:23,679
being

3084
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:26,239
thrown out and used in a utilitarian

3085
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,239
sort of way in order to achieve a

3086
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:30,400
short-term goal that then has these

3087
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,639
long-term ramifications and then can be

3088
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,040
easily rewritten because the container

3089
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:37,119
is language which is itself already so

3090
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:38,960
malleable right

3091
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,679
images are so malleable

3092
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:43,360
and now we're seeing this

3093
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:45,119
whatever those words and images that are

3094
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:48,320
stored in this or that data bank uh or

3095
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:51,199
database can also just be either erased

3096
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:53,360
or you can be prevented from being able

3097
01:49:59,590 --> 01:49:56,960
to visit it at all right which is um

3098
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:59,600
very risky and dangerous and and sad and

3099
01:50:01,510 --> 01:50:00,560
strange

3100
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:01,520
but

3101
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,040
you know that

3102
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:05,040
that does cause us to reflect on what is

3103
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:07,119
true and what could be true especially

3104
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,880
when we

3105
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,560
acknowledge that

3106
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,320
the hypothetical claims that we make

3107
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,480
about reality are contingent upon

3108
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:16,320
evidence that either confirms or denies

3109
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:17,840
those hypotheses

3110
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,430
i just i was never psychoanalyzed in the

3111
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:27,119
lacanian strain but that's what i

3112
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,000
understand about it and i think that

3113
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:32,239
it it it has a kind of chaos magic

3114
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:34,400
element that's not the right term but a

3115
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:36,480
sort of like willful chaos introduced

3116
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,080
into it because randomness is thought to

3117
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:42,000
just be better in the end because you're

3118
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:43,600
dealing with randomness anyway so if you

3119
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:46,400
can deal with it in a therapeutic frame

3120
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:47,199
and

3121
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,679
the master is pivoting

3122
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:51,520
to be the master that you need in that

3123
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:53,600
moment then it should theoretically help

3124
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,400
you to see the game and then be able to

3125
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:58,560
translate the game that you've seen into

3126
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,280
the real world and in a laconian sense

3127
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:03,040
be able to deal with the fundamental

3128
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:04,719
fact that fantasy is always better than

3129
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:06,880
the reality so you you better learn

3130
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,199
quickly as quickly as possible to deal

3131
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:11,360
with reality as it is and

3132
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:13,119
enjoy your fantasies

3133
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:15,199
and pay the price for having them which

3134
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:16,480
is

3135
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,719
remotely correct but that's that's how

3136
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:24,560
i've i've come to understand it what was

3137
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:27,760
it like to be a student of slaveoyjack

3138
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:30,159
it was um interesting so european

3139
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,600
graduate school

3140
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,520
operated in an interesting way so most

3141
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:35,520
of the year is is offline and you do

3142
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,080
your own reading or sorry it's online

3143
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:40,320
and you do your own reading and then you

3144
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:42,400
you meet for six weeks

3145
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:45,520
every summer and you have these seminars

3146
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:49,840
uh basically every day for just

3147
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,400
the hour equivalent that would be pretty

3148
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:54,480
much close to a normal semester so you

3149
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:56,480
spend a lot of time real fast with these

3150
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:57,280
people

3151
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:58,320
um

3152
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,840
and that's great because it's super

3153
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:01,440
compressed yeah but you don't have that

3154
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:03,440
much time for um you don't have that

3155
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:04,639
much time for

3156
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:06,960
uh what do they call it um

3157
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,830
percolating yeah it's uh

3158
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:16,560
it's it's tough but it's it's fun and

3159
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,840
you know the promise of european

3160
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:19,119
graduate school is it lets you have

3161
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,560
these professors that you're normally

3162
01:52:23,990 --> 01:52:22,800
not ever going to be able to have like g

3163
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:24,000
jack and

3164
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:24,800
um

3165
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:26,320
you know when he was alive i think derek

3166
01:52:30,149 --> 01:52:28,639
taught there uh

3167
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:30,159
lots of people i had peter greenaway the

3168
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:32,480
filmmaker as a professor which you know

3169
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:34,880
was the most amazing thing ever

3170
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,400
uh

3171
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:38,400
so it's really cool program i think

3172
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:40,159
they're in malta now but at that time

3173
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,599
they were in switzerland

3174
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:43,440
when we talked about zero consciousness

3175
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,800
and we were mentioning quantities of

3176
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:46,880
consciousness that one can't

3177
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:48,719
or either that's not useful or it's not

3178
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:50,239
true to say that

3179
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,520
some

3180
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:53,520
medicant monk has more consciousness

3181
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:54,719
than us

3182
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,360
then i was wondering well is there such

3183
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:59,679
a concept of zero consciousness

3184
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,040
what do you think of that do some

3185
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:03,360
objects have zero consciousness is zero

3186
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:04,560
consciousness

3187
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,119
a property of the world anywhere

3188
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:09,760
what would that look like

3189
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:12,960
yeah i don't know uh i like i like a

3190
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:14,719
thing in nietzsche it's a it's a small

3191
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:16,239
little thing but

3192
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:19,119
basically it says everything interprets

3193
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,119
and so what you could

3194
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:23,440
take that to mean is that everything

3195
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:26,159
that exists interprets the forces of

3196
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:27,920
gravity of

3197
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:29,920
entropy or whatever that's acting upon

3198
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,000
it right so

3199
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:33,760
it's not really literally interpreting

3200
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:35,679
anything but it has to deal with those

3201
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:37,840
forces but whether it has consciousness

3202
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,199
or not i don't know i mean this is where

3203
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:43,280
the non-dualists who

3204
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:45,520
who take physics and you know am i wave

3205
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,199
am i a particle or all this stuff is

3206
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:48,880
everything a wave function i kind of get

3207
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:51,280
to your third question which is so what

3208
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:53,760
what changes if that proposition is true

3209
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,440
what changes if it isn't that's not the

3210
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:57,360
non-duality i'm talking about i'm

3211
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:58,960
talking you know just everything's a

3212
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:01,599
wave and so forth yeah great if that's

3213
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:03,280
the case if you can provide evidence for

3214
01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:04,560
it which i don't think any of them

3215
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:06,639
really can i haven't seen i mean i've

3216
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:08,400
seen that they provide evidence but that

3217
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:10,560
evidence doesn't have that so what you

3218
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,440
know big bang it's not compelling enough

3219
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:15,679
have you heard of thomas campbell have

3220
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:18,080
you read of red thomas campbell's my big

3221
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:19,840
toe

3222
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:21,520
i haven't no okay forget about that so

3223
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:23,199
anyway you're saying that

3224
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:24,560
what is the point you're getting to

3225
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:26,080
point number three

3226
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:28,239
yeah well if you take niches everything

3227
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:30,480
interprets well i think that the point

3228
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:31,920
is quite nice

3229
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:34,080
you know that it's a zero-sum game

3230
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:36,000
you've got now maybe you're cursed to

3231
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:37,760
repeat the same day over and over and

3232
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:40,000
over again and you can ask yourself if

3233
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,239
i'm cursed to repeat the same day over

3234
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:44,080
and over again knowing that i don't get

3235
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,320
to solve the puzzle of whether you know

3236
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:48,960
i'm an illusion or not knowing that

3237
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:50,639
the future is an image that appears in

3238
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:51,679
you now

3239
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,280
what would that day look like if you

3240
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:55,040
were cursed and then you can set up the

3241
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,360
game so that because you are cursed to

3242
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:59,119
live the same day every day right

3243
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:00,719
because you're a biological unit that

3244
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:02,320
has to eat you have to go to the

3245
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:05,199
washroom you have to suffer the oncoming

3246
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:08,000
rush of age you have to suffer the fact

3247
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:09,679
that you can't control others hell is

3248
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:11,599
other people as searcher famously said

3249
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:13,040
um

3250
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:15,119
so if you could design if you could be

3251
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:16,800
an artist that

3252
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:19,520
interacts with it what would you do

3253
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,800
and this is where i think the

3254
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,400
non-duality i'm talking about is a

3255
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:24,800
little bit more powerful which is to say

3256
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,360
well hell all this stuff is appearing

3257
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:29,040
as far as i can tell it's appearing in

3258
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:29,760
me

3259
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:32,480
and uh i have all these pressures upon

3260
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:33,520
me

3261
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,360
but these pressures have rules the

3262
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:37,840
market has rules the internet has rules

3263
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,400
and if i'm able to identify those rules

3264
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:42,880
and interact with them in such a way

3265
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,119
that they enable me to build a game so

3266
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:47,599
that i don't feel hell every day and

3267
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:50,320
every day is like much more fulfilling

3268
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,880
than the day you know and not knowing

3269
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:54,480
what's going to come and i can just be

3270
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:55,920
in that day

3271
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,639
days i'm not going to be as good as

3272
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:00,480
others i might have a cold my wife might

3273
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:03,119
be sick yeah yeah yeah but i still have

3274
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:05,520
this system that provides

3275
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:07,280
pretty much

3276
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:09,760
that the curse of being cursed to live

3277
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:11,679
the same day every day is the best

3278
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:13,040
possible day

3279
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,360
given all the laws that govern reality

3280
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:18,000
so that's the so what to me and i think

3281
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,000
that those people are creating a great

3282
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:22,400
contribution by using their time on

3283
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,560
earth to create ideas that stimulate

3284
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:26,159
thought and so forth but i haven't seen

3285
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,199
the big so what from them and um

3286
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:30,960
maybe i'm not reading them close enough

3287
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:33,760
but they seem to be creating enemies

3288
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:36,000
that aren't there like materialism like

3289
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:37,679
where where are the people in the street

3290
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:40,320
marching saying you know oh well we've

3291
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:42,800
got to treat every object as not having

3292
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:44,480
consciousness

3293
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:46,639
yes i know there are people who

3294
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:48,080
are fighting for things that people

3295
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:49,679
don't want like abortion and rights and

3296
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:52,080
etc etc and that are those are some of

3297
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:53,760
those implications there but i don't see

3298
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:55,840
them having any solution to that by

3299
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:57,920
saying well you know

3300
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:00,800
the scalpel too is conscious i mean

3301
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:03,520
so what if it is what changes if that's

3302
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:04,400
right

3303
01:57:08,830 --> 01:57:06,560
nothing as far as i can tell changes

3304
01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:08,840
what changes if it's wrong

3305
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:10,960
well nothing as far as i can tell

3306
01:57:13,589 --> 01:57:11,760
because you're not going to be able to

3307
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:13,599
stop people from writing those ideas or

3308
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:16,159
sharing those ideas so build a system in

3309
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:18,560
your life so that you are as content as

3310
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:20,800
possible to show up and if you can help

3311
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,639
people along the way that's great and

3312
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:24,719
that is a so what because uh the

3313
01:57:27,589 --> 01:57:26,639
evidence will be there

3314
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:27,599
hmm

3315
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,840
anthony to get a bit philosophical and

3316
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:31,520
to play a devil's advocate what would

3317
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:33,119
happen if someone

3318
01:57:38,790 --> 01:57:36,080
said my ideal life is

3319
01:57:40,149 --> 01:57:38,800
causing misery to others some peoples

3320
01:57:41,830 --> 01:57:40,159
are

3321
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:41,840
maybe one may question whether or not

3322
01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:43,199
that's fulfilling and then have a

3323
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:45,280
distinction between momentary happiness

3324
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:48,239
and fulfillment or purpose or whatever

3325
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:49,280
let's

3326
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:52,800
imagine that they

3327
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,360
are imbued with meaning

3328
01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:57,679
when they harm others and they say that

3329
01:58:02,390 --> 01:57:59,679
this is my

3330
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:02,400
life that i would put on repeat is me

3331
01:58:07,750 --> 01:58:06,080
harming others so then what is the

3332
01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:07,760
ethical action there because it seems

3333
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:09,440
like they're fulfilling that

3334
01:58:14,229 --> 01:58:12,400
circle of repetition of the day like

3335
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:14,239
groundhog day

3336
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,159
it's a real problem

3337
01:58:21,030 --> 01:58:18,639
my uncle was a criminologist and he

3338
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:21,040
trained police guards and they deal with

3339
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:24,080
that question every day there are people

3340
01:58:28,709 --> 01:58:24,880
who

3341
01:58:29,669 --> 01:58:28,719
not only are content to be in prison but

3342
01:58:31,750 --> 01:58:29,679
they

3343
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:31,760
actually see prison as the place where

3344
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:33,599
they even get to exercise their ill

3345
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:34,400
intent

3346
01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:36,239
even more right

3347
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:38,560
and they they just see the rules that

3348
01:58:42,550 --> 01:58:40,639
govern that reality and they use it to

3349
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:42,560
exercise their evil intent inside of

3350
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:44,080
that so

3351
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:45,599
i don't necessarily have an observation

3352
01:58:51,589 --> 01:58:48,719
for or an answer to it but it is in

3353
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:51,599
reality it does exist and

3354
01:58:54,629 --> 01:58:52,800
i think that

3355
01:58:57,350 --> 01:58:54,639
if you're able to somehow get involved

3356
01:58:58,950 --> 01:58:57,360
in studying that and figuring it out you

3357
01:59:01,030 --> 01:58:58,960
could contribute to the betterment of

3358
01:59:02,470 --> 01:59:01,040
the future for those who

3359
01:59:04,709 --> 01:59:02,480
are either blessed or cursed depending

3360
01:59:07,589 --> 01:59:04,719
on how they look at it to to be in that

3361
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:07,599
future because there's almost certainly

3362
01:59:11,109 --> 01:59:09,520
human brains and those brains are

3363
01:59:12,470 --> 01:59:11,119
governed by rules and some of those

3364
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:12,480
people

3365
01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:14,800
uh it's not just sam harris you know

3366
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:17,360
free will and and and luck and fortune

3367
01:59:23,109 --> 01:59:19,760
and chance it's also chance meeting

3368
01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:23,119
biology uh or at least so it seems to me

3369
01:59:27,830 --> 01:59:25,840
uh and so the amygdala for example can

3370
01:59:29,910 --> 01:59:27,840
be eroded in certain individuals that

3371
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:29,920
causes them not only to not care but to

3372
01:59:34,070 --> 01:59:32,400
crave you know violent acts against

3373
01:59:35,510 --> 01:59:34,080
others and we might be able to do

3374
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:35,520
something about that

3375
01:59:39,270 --> 01:59:37,760
uh but we need people who are passionate

3376
01:59:40,629 --> 01:59:39,280
about that i happen to have an uncle who

3377
01:59:42,229 --> 01:59:40,639
was passionate about that and worked on

3378
01:59:43,910 --> 01:59:42,239
it and published on it and trained

3379
01:59:46,629 --> 01:59:43,920
guards to help them be better guards in

3380
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:46,639
those situations and so on and so forth

3381
01:59:49,830 --> 01:59:48,719
and i think we can do a lot about it but

3382
01:59:51,510 --> 01:59:49,840
at the end of the day we ought to look

3383
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:51,520
at it honestly and we have to say this

3384
01:59:56,229 --> 01:59:54,960
is biology meeting chance and fate and

3385
01:59:58,470 --> 01:59:56,239
circumstance

3386
02:00:00,310 --> 01:59:58,480
and now that they've done this you know

3387
02:00:01,990 --> 02:00:00,320
what can we learn from it what can we

3388
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:02,000
potentially do this comes back to you

3389
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,840
know the intelligence question

3390
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:05,440
um

3391
02:00:09,990 --> 02:00:06,719
can we

3392
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:10,000
create

3393
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:12,320
without creating more suffering because

3394
02:00:16,629 --> 02:00:13,760
it almost certainly is going to in the

3395
02:00:18,870 --> 02:00:16,639
beginning can we create a world in which

3396
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:18,880
people are on the same page about

3397
02:00:22,629 --> 02:00:20,560
ethical matters

3398
02:00:25,109 --> 02:00:22,639
knowing that the very meat that

3399
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:25,119
processes ethical matters

3400
02:00:27,910 --> 02:00:26,400
has scarcity

3401
02:00:29,990 --> 02:00:27,920
it has

3402
02:00:31,669 --> 02:00:30,000
all kinds of laws that drive it to

3403
02:00:33,669 --> 02:00:31,679
behave to

3404
02:00:35,189 --> 02:00:33,679
fulfill things in this moment without

3405
02:00:38,070 --> 02:00:35,199
much thought for the future that's what

3406
02:00:40,070 --> 02:00:38,080
it's designed to do right can we do that

3407
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:40,080
and can we do it in a way that you know

3408
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:42,880
is going to work we don't know but

3409
02:00:46,229 --> 02:00:44,080
we're here so

3410
02:00:47,430 --> 02:00:46,239
obviously some people are going to try

3411
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:47,440
and

3412
02:00:51,189 --> 02:00:49,760
i i'd lean on let's do it let's put our

3413
02:00:53,430 --> 02:00:51,199
heads together and do it as right as

3414
02:00:56,390 --> 02:00:53,440
possible but prepare

3415
02:00:58,390 --> 02:00:56,400
to uh to fail

3416
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:58,400
that i'm curious um

3417
02:01:03,669 --> 02:00:59,520
let's

3418
02:01:06,790 --> 02:01:03,679
irrational robots and i'm not sure that

3419
02:01:09,189 --> 02:01:06,800
that is the correct way of

3420
02:01:12,149 --> 02:01:09,199
understanding people but let's imagine

3421
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:12,159
them in this computational sense to be a

3422
02:01:15,669 --> 02:01:13,360
black box

3423
02:01:18,629 --> 02:01:15,679
it's not a computer it's irrational in a

3424
02:01:20,310 --> 02:01:18,639
sense so we need to feed it

3425
02:01:21,830 --> 02:01:20,320
if we fed it what was rational what

3426
02:01:23,350 --> 02:01:21,840
would be outputted would be completely

3427
02:01:25,910 --> 02:01:23,360
irrational because that's the way

3428
02:01:27,669 --> 02:01:25,920
irrationality works so then

3429
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:27,679
that means we need to feed it something

3430
02:01:31,430 --> 02:01:30,320
of equal or opposite irrationality if

3431
02:01:34,229 --> 02:01:31,440
what we want

3432
02:01:36,550 --> 02:01:34,239
to be outputted is something positive

3433
02:01:37,910 --> 02:01:36,560
then what i'm wondering is let's take an

3434
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:37,920
atheist like sam harris and let's

3435
02:01:42,470 --> 02:01:40,239
imagine sam harris believes that we are

3436
02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:42,480
irrational beings which it doesn't seem

3437
02:01:47,189 --> 02:01:44,320
like that's too much of a stretch

3438
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:48,229
what would

3439
02:01:53,589 --> 02:01:51,360
you say i know i'm speaking to sam

3440
02:01:54,629 --> 02:01:53,599
harris in my head but what would you say

3441
02:01:57,189 --> 02:01:54,639
anthony

3442
02:01:59,430 --> 02:01:57,199
if someone said religion now as for

3443
02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:59,440
which religion like i'm putting question

3444
02:02:02,390 --> 02:02:01,040
marks on that or if it's an existing

3445
02:02:03,990 --> 02:02:02,400
religion putting question marks maybe

3446
02:02:04,870 --> 02:02:04,000
it's an amended maybe it's a different

3447
02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:04,880
kind

3448
02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:08,000
that religion is the

3449
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:09,760
this irrational religion is this paper

3450
02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:11,199
that we feed into these irrational

3451
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:12,880
beings called humans that allow them to

3452
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,199
work with one another

3453
02:02:19,669 --> 02:02:17,360
is that okay or do you still see like no

3454
02:02:21,510 --> 02:02:19,679
no no we have to be guided by what is

3455
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:21,520
absolutely true and what is true is that

3456
02:02:25,910 --> 02:02:24,000
there are no gods and there are no god i

3457
02:02:27,510 --> 02:02:25,920
mean there is no god and so on and

3458
02:02:30,070 --> 02:02:27,520
christianity is false and buddhism is

3459
02:02:33,589 --> 02:02:30,080
false and so so do we take this

3460
02:02:36,070 --> 02:02:33,599
scientific view that says

3461
02:02:38,070 --> 02:02:36,080
and to straw man science to straw man

3462
02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:38,080
science would that says that jesus is

3463
02:02:44,229 --> 02:02:40,719
false and buddhist buddhas falls and all

3464
02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:46,070
generated by irrational people to quell

3465
02:02:49,270 --> 02:02:47,440
themselves or because that was the best

3466
02:02:50,629 --> 02:02:49,280
they could do at the time did we take

3467
02:02:52,149 --> 02:02:50,639
that round and say

3468
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:52,159
we should feed into these irrational

3469
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:54,320
beings the truth which is hey man you're

3470
02:02:58,709 --> 02:02:57,440
deluded or shall we feed

3471
02:02:59,830 --> 02:02:58,719
them

3472
02:03:01,669 --> 02:02:59,840
these

3473
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:01,679
irrational quote unquote stories of the

3474
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:02,719
bible

3475
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:04,719
or the vedic text

3476
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:06,560
and have them

3477
02:03:11,430 --> 02:03:08,880
get together and cooperate and produce

3478
02:03:12,629 --> 02:03:11,440
something akin to peace or

3479
02:03:15,910 --> 02:03:12,639
something

3480
02:03:17,669 --> 02:03:15,920
salutary so what would you say

3481
02:03:19,750 --> 02:03:17,679
where i would start is look at what sam

3482
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:19,760
harris does not what he says

3483
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:20,880
right

3484
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:22,880
and what i mean by that i wish that i

3485
02:03:26,310 --> 02:03:24,480
would have saved it maybe i can go back

3486
02:03:27,830 --> 02:03:26,320
through my amas or whatever and find it

3487
02:03:30,950 --> 02:03:27,840
to correct my own memory if it needs

3488
02:03:33,189 --> 02:03:30,960
correcting but i remember an ama for his

3489
02:03:35,189 --> 02:03:33,199
supporters back in the day where people

3490
02:03:36,709 --> 02:03:35,199
were asking him what were the spiritual

3491
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,719
texts that you studied

3492
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:38,560
and um

3493
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:41,599
you know tell us some of them and he

3494
02:03:44,709 --> 02:03:43,360
said i don't want to tell you what these

3495
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:44,719
spiritual texts are because i'm

3496
02:03:49,350 --> 02:03:46,800
concerned that people are going to go

3497
02:03:50,950 --> 02:03:49,360
and uh you know wildly misinterpret them

3498
02:03:52,950 --> 02:03:50,960
this that i see that danger because i've

3499
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:52,960
memorized a lot of that stuff and it's a

3500
02:03:56,950 --> 02:03:55,280
bit of a mind twist to get around it and

3501
02:03:59,189 --> 02:03:56,960
get to uber atheism which is what i

3502
02:04:00,709 --> 02:03:59,199
think is in them right but it's got a

3503
02:04:02,229 --> 02:04:00,719
lot of spiritual verbiage that can make

3504
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:02,239
you think there's a god and that's

3505
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:04,400
that's not really it's not that simple

3506
02:04:08,790 --> 02:04:06,239
uh and it isn't that that is not the

3507
02:04:11,350 --> 02:04:08,800
conclusion but this is years ago and he

3508
02:04:12,709 --> 02:04:11,360
says look i'll give you one name right

3509
02:04:14,790 --> 02:04:12,719
and um

3510
02:04:16,310 --> 02:04:14,800
and he mentions i believe if my memory

3511
02:04:20,229 --> 02:04:16,320
is correct he mentions at white of a

3512
02:04:24,310 --> 02:04:21,510
i was so

3513
02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:24,320
kind of i mean i love sam harris fan etc

3514
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:26,159
etc but i was a little bit disgusted by

3515
02:04:29,750 --> 02:04:28,320
this because

3516
02:04:31,990 --> 02:04:29,760
here's this guy

3517
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:32,000
who has commands this massive audience

3518
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:34,400
and he's going to police the knowledge

3519
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:35,760
and say

3520
02:04:38,070 --> 02:04:36,560
okay

3521
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:38,080
if you're going to study this here's

3522
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:40,000
like a little nugget for you but i'm not

3523
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:41,199
going to tell you all the texts that i

3524
02:04:44,470 --> 02:04:42,400
studied when he's happy to tell you like

3525
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,480
all the science texts etc etc and he's

3526
02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:46,560
got like massive book recommendations

3527
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:47,599
now

3528
02:04:51,830 --> 02:04:49,360
skip forward a couple years the waking

3529
02:04:54,149 --> 02:04:51,840
up app appears and now he's got adjacent

3530
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:54,159
as a guest teacher who's just gonna

3531
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,679
say all this stuff that he wasn't

3532
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:57,440
willing to say and he put gates on

3533
02:04:59,750 --> 02:04:58,480
before

3534
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:59,760
and i'm not judging him or anything i'm

3535
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:01,360
just saying rather than what he says

3536
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:02,560
that we should do

3537
02:05:07,430 --> 02:05:05,520
look at what he does right which is

3538
02:05:09,510 --> 02:05:07,440
you know i don't know what it all is

3539
02:05:11,589 --> 02:05:09,520
going to culminate to but rather than

3540
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:11,599
having you know sam harris meditate with

3541
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:13,599
me live sort of settings where you meet

3542
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:16,000
with him at you know a mass convention

3543
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:18,560
and you're all one together and so forth

3544
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:20,639
he's got an app which is a meditation

3545
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:22,960
app that is built inside of a device

3546
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:25,760
that is designed to interrupt you right

3547
02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:28,480
that's your meditation app and then it's

3548
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:30,080
filled with content that directly

3549
02:05:35,669 --> 02:05:31,920
contradicts his

3550
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:35,679
years of suppressing the spiritual texts

3551
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:37,199
that he didn't want people to have that

3552
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:40,560
is now wildly espousing them and i just

3553
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:41,920
scratched my head a little bit about

3554
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:44,320
this because you know

3555
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:46,159
doesn't he have the faith that human

3556
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,480
people can figure it out for themselves

3557
02:05:51,430 --> 02:05:50,560
and so forth and i mean i did i wanted

3558
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:51,440
to know

3559
02:05:54,629 --> 02:05:52,880
what is it that you're reading it is

3560
02:05:56,070 --> 02:05:54,639
just like suppressed suppressed

3561
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:56,080
suppressed and then he just throws out

3562
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:58,000
this one nugget on one ama and then

3563
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:59,440
years later all of a sudden he's got

3564
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:02,000
andy shanti and like other people in

3565
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:04,239
this spiritual world as if like what

3566
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:05,840
changed so

3567
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:07,920
what my point is here is not to vilify

3568
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:09,360
sam harris or anything like that but

3569
02:06:14,470 --> 02:06:11,440
rather just to say they're saying one

3570
02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:14,480
thing doing another and um

3571
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:16,080
why that's the question why it's because

3572
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:18,560
we all do we all do so when you say

3573
02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:20,960
should we do this should we do that i

3574
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:21,920
think we

3575
02:06:26,629 --> 02:06:23,520
we're still not as

3576
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:26,639
humans all together that there is a we

3577
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:28,960
that could do anything that we should do

3578
02:06:34,229 --> 02:06:31,280
right and i'm not sure that the

3579
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:34,239
consequences of there being enough of us

3580
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:36,079
on the same page are going to be worth

3581
02:06:39,990 --> 02:06:37,840
having but that's what our technology is

3582
02:06:42,629 --> 02:06:40,000
building we're like if you look at like

3583
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:42,639
a douglas hofstadter kind of

3584
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,239
girdle escher buck

3585
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:46,800
looking things we're ants you know we

3586
02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:48,880
don't we're communicating something

3587
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:50,960
we're building something do we know what

3588
02:06:55,589 --> 02:06:52,800
it is that we're building i don't think

3589
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:55,599
so but we are building why because

3590
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:57,440
back to nietzsche everything interprets

3591
02:07:01,109 --> 02:06:59,679
we are the scientists whether we are

3592
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:01,119
whether we realize that we're doing

3593
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:03,360
scientific experiments or not humanity

3594
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:06,560
as such is collaborating to do something

3595
02:07:11,030 --> 02:07:09,119
to an end that is an image in our

3596
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:11,040
consciousness now

3597
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:13,199
that can't possibly

3598
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:15,599
have convergence across the board and

3599
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:17,679
can't ever possibly become

3600
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,960
what we might imagine that it would

3601
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:20,480
become because we don't even agree on it

3602
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:21,360
so

3603
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,520
we got to step back and just think

3604
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:25,440
if there's a we to do anything at all

3605
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:26,880
and just think you know what can we do

3606
02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:27,760
now

3607
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:32,320
that are contrary to even the words that

3608
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:34,480
come out of our mouths

3609
02:07:39,669 --> 02:07:37,599
to create that day that you know we

3610
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:39,679
would be happily cursed to live in and i

3611
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:41,520
think we are collaborating together on

3612
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:43,280
things

3613
02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:44,880
whether we whether we are aware that

3614
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:47,360
we're collaborating or or not everything

3615
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:48,960
we're saying right now is being recorded

3616
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:50,880
because we intentionally record it but

3617
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:52,159
you'd better believe that it's being

3618
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,920
recorded whether we record it or not

3619
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:55,920
there's machines that are reading human

3620
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,880
language

3621
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:58,239
as we speak

3622
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:00,960
to try to figure out what humans are

3623
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:03,360
you know and uh

3624
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:05,119
what we should do is just not clear to

3625
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:07,440
me at all because we are doing

3626
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:09,840
something

3627
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:11,360
we don't have to do anything that's

3628
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:14,079
that's that is ultimately what

3629
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:14,960
what

3630
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,560
the sam harris that's the implications

3631
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:18,320
of what sam harris is espousing you

3632
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:20,239
couldn't do it if even if you tried

3633
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:23,119
because you already have forces acting

3634
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:24,880
upon you and if you're lucky enough to

3635
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:27,440
have heard of the waking up app well

3636
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:29,920
good luck good fortune and

3637
02:08:33,189 --> 02:08:31,440
you know hopefully you will figure out

3638
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:33,199
what those books are that he read if you

3639
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:34,800
wanted to and you didn't have to sort if

3640
02:08:38,390 --> 02:08:36,320
it's green and search forever because

3641
02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:38,400
you got a gatekeeper right because the

3642
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:39,840
great promise of the internet was to get

3643
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:41,679
rid of the damn gatekeepers but then

3644
02:08:45,669 --> 02:08:43,840
what did it do it ultimately ended up

3645
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,679
being populated with more gatekeepers

3646
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,520
than we ever could have you know

3647
02:08:50,950 --> 02:08:49,520
imagined you know so

3648
02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:50,960
what are we doing that's what i would

3649
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:52,880
just ask not only

3650
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:55,280
what is it that all this is going on

3651
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,840
but who who exactly is it appearing to

3652
02:09:01,669 --> 02:09:00,000
who do you who is who are who is this

3653
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:01,679
person you think you are

3654
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,280
that it's appearing to

3655
02:09:07,109 --> 02:09:04,960
and whether whether sam harris is right

3656
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:07,119
that there is no i or that the i is just

3657
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,199
an illusion you've got to go one step

3658
02:09:13,189 --> 02:09:11,440
further which is that to whom is that

3659
02:09:14,310 --> 02:09:13,199
appearing to

3660
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:14,320
right

3661
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:17,440
which is i don't know the answer but i i

3662
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:19,520
i've worked it out for myself and i keep

3663
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:21,440
working it out for myself it's the most

3664
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:23,599
fascinating adventure it's like it's

3665
02:09:26,950 --> 02:09:24,639
like if you want to get out of the

3666
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:26,960
matrix that's the way is to ask the

3667
02:09:31,990 --> 02:09:29,840
question constantly train your memory to

3668
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:32,000
constantly bring it back to you to whom

3669
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:38,629
do you believe in free will

3670
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:40,239
no but i tend not to believe in anything

3671
02:09:43,589 --> 02:09:42,159
why would you believe in things if it's

3672
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:43,599
true what do you need to believe in it

3673
02:09:46,790 --> 02:09:45,280
for

3674
02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:46,800
there's no evidence that there's free

3675
02:09:50,470 --> 02:09:48,800
will so i don't i don't see anything to

3676
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:50,480
believe in and if it were true i

3677
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:53,360
wouldn't need to believe in it

3678
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:56,480
okay what does it mean to believe

3679
02:10:01,990 --> 02:09:59,280
well in that sense of the word belief

3680
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:02,000
you know it would be like

3681
02:10:06,550 --> 02:10:04,320
and this is where you know some lacanian

3682
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:06,560
psychoanalysis is useful because some

3683
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:07,599
people

3684
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:08,719
they

3685
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:11,840
create a kind of symbolic big other

3686
02:10:16,470 --> 02:10:14,320
right like mathematicians for example

3687
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:16,480
they um they will say no no math is not

3688
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:18,960
invented math is discovered right and so

3689
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:21,840
then when they discover it

3690
02:10:26,390 --> 02:10:24,480
rather than seeing that yes it's both

3691
02:10:28,470 --> 02:10:26,400
discovered and invented i mean assuming

3692
02:10:30,310 --> 02:10:28,480
that's true i don't know but i'm just

3693
02:10:32,470 --> 02:10:30,320
sort of pointing out a debate that's in

3694
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:32,480
the world but there are a lot of people

3695
02:10:36,069 --> 02:10:33,280
who

3696
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:36,079
mathematically believe in or sorry they

3697
02:10:41,669 --> 02:10:38,800
believe in science right they believe in

3698
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:41,679
it and they act symbolically

3699
02:10:45,990 --> 02:10:44,960
as if it were a god right and

3700
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:46,000
that's

3701
02:10:53,030 --> 02:10:50,480
themselves so often because they're not

3702
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:53,040
looking at the implications of if their

3703
02:10:57,189 --> 02:10:55,440
god if that math was true then why would

3704
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:57,199
they act that way right

3705
02:11:00,470 --> 02:10:58,880
they so they

3706
02:11:02,229 --> 02:11:00,480
they believe in it but they don't act as

3707
02:11:04,870 --> 02:11:02,239
they believe in it yeah i'm not

3708
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:04,880
following so for example when you say

3709
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:05,840
that

3710
02:11:12,390 --> 02:11:10,719
and they act as if science is god

3711
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:12,400
what are you referring to

3712
02:11:15,669 --> 02:11:13,760
i'm not i'm not saying that they think

3713
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:15,679
that science is a god or that they act

3714
02:11:18,950 --> 02:11:17,040
as if a science is god i'm saying that

3715
02:11:20,870 --> 02:11:18,960
there's a symbolic there's there's a

3716
02:11:24,069 --> 02:11:20,880
symbolic entity that is being treated

3717
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:24,079
symbolically as somehow a big a big

3718
02:11:27,350 --> 02:11:26,320
other kind of thing right

3719
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:27,360
and

3720
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:29,520
they're not aware of that symbolic

3721
02:11:33,990 --> 02:11:31,440
relationship that they have to it

3722
02:11:35,669 --> 02:11:34,000
uh i'm trying i'm gonna think about a

3723
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:35,679
specific example with a friend of mine

3724
02:11:42,069 --> 02:11:38,800
um yeah sure so for example google is a

3725
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:42,079
great god for him and he uh

3726
02:11:46,470 --> 02:11:44,159
we did some google ads one time and he

3727
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:46,480
said well if we just look at this and we

3728
02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:48,480
do recursion that and mathematical

3729
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:50,560
formula this if you spend this much on

3730
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:54,079
ads then this should exactly work right

3731
02:11:58,149 --> 02:11:55,679
and uh i said okay we'll run the

3732
02:11:59,510 --> 02:11:58,159
experiment that's fine and um he was

3733
02:12:01,830 --> 02:11:59,520
like 100

3734
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:01,840
sure of this so we did all the symbolic

3735
02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:03,920
behaviors because the math told us that

3736
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:06,639
this is what would happen right

3737
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:08,400
but that's not what happened

3738
02:12:13,510 --> 02:12:11,520
it was just a it was just a a loss and

3739
02:12:15,030 --> 02:12:13,520
then i was having a discussion with him

3740
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:15,040
and i said something's wrong with your

3741
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:16,960
math right because the math here showed

3742
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:18,639
that after a certain amount compound

3743
02:12:23,350 --> 02:12:21,119
this and that that then this would be in

3744
02:12:25,990 --> 02:12:23,360
the gr in the black but we're we're deep

3745
02:12:29,990 --> 02:12:26,000
in the red and he defended the math like

3746
02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:30,000
crazy and he then you know started to

3747
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:31,840
started to show me he said just just let

3748
02:12:36,229 --> 02:12:33,840
me show you and he got a piece of paper

3749
02:12:38,069 --> 02:12:36,239
and he wrote out the formulas right now

3750
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:38,079
what i'm saying is instead of just

3751
02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:40,239
saying you know what i don't know what's

3752
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:43,119
wrong but it didn't work he then

3753
02:12:50,069 --> 02:12:47,679
started to symbolically behave as if you

3754
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:50,079
could write out the formula and that

3755
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:52,800
would somehow cause me to convert to

3756
02:12:57,270 --> 02:12:55,440
believe that that math was

3757
02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:57,280
yeah what i understand okay okay okay so

3758
02:13:00,069 --> 02:12:58,880
when you say sorry

3759
02:13:01,589 --> 02:13:00,079
let me see if i'm understanding it

3760
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:01,599
because if i say it but you see this a

3761
02:13:04,709 --> 02:13:03,760
bit and you see that exact symbolic

3762
02:13:07,109 --> 02:13:04,719
behavior

3763
02:13:09,430 --> 02:13:07,119
all the time so i'm not saying that

3764
02:13:11,669 --> 02:13:09,440
people believe in math as if it's a god

3765
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:11,679
or anything but they there's a symbolic

3766
02:13:17,669 --> 02:13:15,360
behavior as if there was this sort of

3767
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:17,679
okay thing that it's eternally true but

3768
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:19,119
eternity

3769
02:13:22,550 --> 02:13:20,960
like if you look at like julian barber i

3770
02:13:23,589 --> 02:13:22,560
think his name is like eternity he's

3771
02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:23,599
just like what are you talking about

3772
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:25,360
like

3773
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:27,199
how is this even possible

3774
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:29,360
sorry i'm interrupting you go ahead he's

3775
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:30,960
this guy's a guest on the podcast at

3776
02:13:36,550 --> 02:13:34,159
some point soon barbers okay well

3777
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:36,560
i think that part of the issue with

3778
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:38,560
people like sam harris and the and

3779
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,159
people who call themselves atheists or

3780
02:13:44,470 --> 02:13:43,199
even uber atheists or whatever it may be

3781
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:44,480
obviously i'm being a bit of a joker

3782
02:13:48,790 --> 02:13:46,480
myself with that yeah yeah is the issue

3783
02:13:50,390 --> 02:13:48,800
of what does it mean to be god so i

3784
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:50,400
think they have

3785
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:52,480
let's take sam harris and daniel dennett

3786
02:13:55,990 --> 02:13:54,400
as examples so the new atheists i think

3787
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:56,000
that they have and please don't think

3788
02:13:59,910 --> 02:13:58,800
that i'm denigrating atheism per se i'm

3789
02:14:02,629 --> 02:13:59,920
not

3790
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:02,639
calling myself an atheist or a theist

3791
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:04,719
i would say that i don't know i don't i

3792
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:07,280
i i'm

3793
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:08,320
i'm

3794
02:14:16,390 --> 02:14:13,199
they have this idea that god

3795
02:14:18,149 --> 02:14:16,400
this

3796
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:18,159
old man in the sky that can that tells

3797
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:19,280
you what to do and the people who

3798
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:22,239
believe in god are those who are

3799
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,719
will follow whatever

3800
02:14:28,390 --> 02:14:26,480
god says no matter what and are

3801
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:28,400
staunched about

3802
02:14:31,510 --> 02:14:29,520
them being correct in their

3803
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:31,520
interpretation of what god is however

3804
02:14:34,950 --> 02:14:33,199
there are people like i'm not sure if

3805
02:14:37,109 --> 02:14:34,960
this is aquinas or not or if this even

3806
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:37,119
predates him but people who say that

3807
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:39,360
look the world god

3808
02:14:42,470 --> 02:14:40,880
you mentioned that we follow the math

3809
02:14:44,709 --> 02:14:42,480
and the person was saying that well look

3810
02:14:46,709 --> 02:14:44,719
the math says this it should be so the

3811
02:14:48,629 --> 02:14:46,719
world is wrong in a sense

3812
02:14:50,229 --> 02:14:48,639
in that example well i think it was

3813
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:50,239
aquinas or someone who predates him that

3814
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:51,520
said that

3815
02:14:55,189 --> 02:14:53,599
god is the way that we investigate the

3816
02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:55,199
bible let's imagine this is the bible to

3817
02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:56,880
some people this probably is the bible

3818
02:15:01,030 --> 02:14:59,440
let's imagine this is and we say okay we

3819
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:01,040
think that this means that god created

3820
02:15:05,350 --> 02:15:03,040
the earth in seven days however if we

3821
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:05,360
investigate the natural world god

3822
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:07,280
created the natural world in this

3823
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,400
cosmology

3824
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:10,159
and we find out that

3825
02:15:13,430 --> 02:15:12,000
humans evolved from chimpanzees from a

3826
02:15:14,950 --> 02:15:13,440
common ancestry with gymnasiums and so

3827
02:15:17,189 --> 02:15:14,960
on and it was millions and billions and

3828
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,199
so on of yours

3829
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:18,960
well

3830
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:20,560
the bible isn't wrong it's our

3831
02:15:24,069 --> 02:15:22,239
interpretation of the bible that's wrong

3832
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:24,079
because the world is the way the world

3833
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:28,550
and i don't see sam harris or daniel

3834
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:30,480
dennett or any of the new atheists

3835
02:15:34,550 --> 02:15:32,560
tackling with that instead they do what

3836
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:34,560
i think is a straw man

3837
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:37,199
argument as to what religion is and in a

3838
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:39,520
sense they take the people from the new

3839
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:41,520
borough baptist church i believe the

3840
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:43,599
people who are

3841
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,679
against homosexuals and so on and

3842
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:49,520
and think that and creationists and so

3843
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:50,639
on

3844
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:52,480
they take them as representative of all

3845
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:55,040
religion or of all that god is meant to

3846
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:56,960
be but there are huge

3847
02:16:01,589 --> 02:15:59,520
interdictions interdictions against

3848
02:16:03,189 --> 02:16:01,599
stating exactly what god is now you

3849
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:03,199
might say one might say that's like a

3850
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:05,920
huge cop out because you want to

3851
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,599
say that god exists but at the same time

3852
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:09,679
you don't want to define what god is but

3853
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:10,880
that's not

3854
02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:15,669
many

3855
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:17,520
people who are materialists we don't

3856
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:19,119
think materialism is a cop out but

3857
02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:21,360
materials would say that i don't know

3858
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:24,880
exactly what is because epistemically we

3859
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:26,880
can't know we can only assume that there

3860
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:28,079
is something independent of us and we

3861
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:29,440
interact with it

3862
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:30,719
okay well you're saying there is

3863
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:32,080
something that exists but we have no

3864
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:33,519
clue as to what it exactly is like

3865
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,200
donald hoffman might say

3866
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:36,960
donald hoffman's not a materialist but

3867
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:39,200
you understand i don't i don't see it as

3868
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:41,599
any more of a cop-out so when people say

3869
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,200
yes this is what religion is this is

3870
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:45,359
what god is and god is not true or god

3871
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:47,120
doesn't exist to me it's like what are

3872
02:16:50,469 --> 02:16:48,719
you defining as god and why do you think

3873
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:50,479
that that represents

3874
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:52,479
what god actually is

3875
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:54,160
now i understand the critique that

3876
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:55,120
someone

3877
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:56,639
may have and it's the critique that

3878
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:58,639
occurs to me or would have occurred to

3879
02:17:02,230 --> 02:17:00,479
me as as a

3880
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,240
as an atheist a few years ago which is

3881
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:04,960
that it's just so vague and what is the

3882
02:17:09,910 --> 02:17:07,280
use of any of this well there is use i

3883
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:09,920
can get to some of the use later but

3884
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:12,639
either way the whole point is to say

3885
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:15,120
when people are saying god doesn't exist

3886
02:17:18,629 --> 02:17:17,760
i don't know if they

3887
02:17:21,429 --> 02:17:18,639
are

3888
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:21,439
properly grappling with the issue

3889
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:23,359
using the different definitions of god

3890
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:24,800
which by the way there shouldn't be a

3891
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:26,319
definition of god according to some of

3892
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:27,679
the scriptural accounts you shouldn't

3893
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:31,280
try to define god in fact god is what

3894
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:37,750
yeah

3895
02:17:41,190 --> 02:17:39,359
there's there's much i'd like to say but

3896
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:41,200
i'm assuming that you understand where

3897
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:42,800
i'm going with this

3898
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,160
so what are your thoughts what occurs to

3899
02:17:48,150 --> 02:17:46,639
you when i say this

3900
02:17:49,270 --> 02:17:48,160
well i i would just kind of like point

3901
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:49,280
us back to

3902
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:50,800
my my claim that we should look at what

3903
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:53,200
sam harris does not what he says right

3904
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,160
because

3905
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:57,200
his behaviors are

3906
02:18:02,790 --> 02:17:59,920
somehow against themselves uh or against

3907
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:02,800
itself in terms of you know well we want

3908
02:18:07,030 --> 02:18:05,200
to restrict people from having these

3909
02:18:08,709 --> 02:18:07,040
woo-woo ideas

3910
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,719
but

3911
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:11,040
you know my app is doing really great so

3912
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:12,399
why don't we get a bunch of people in

3913
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:15,439
there who have all these woo ideas and

3914
02:18:19,429 --> 02:18:17,280
you know we'll get their audiences too

3915
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:19,439
right so what is he doing there now he's

3916
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:21,760
acting symbolically towards the way the

3917
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:24,479
market works right so that i didn't

3918
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:25,920
quite get to that point when i was going

3919
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:27,679
through the what he does rather than

3920
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:29,920
what he says thing right because new

3921
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:31,200
atheism

3922
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,200
evolved as it did the way many things do

3923
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:35,280
because the market was responding to it

3924
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:38,160
right and then it it peaked and then it

3925
02:18:41,349 --> 02:18:39,679
started to fizzle out and now a new

3926
02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:41,359
thing comes right

3927
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:42,080
so

3928
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:44,719
i hope spirituality wave yeah yeah i

3929
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:46,639
hope i'm not copping out by just going

3930
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:47,679
in this

3931
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:50,080
direction but i think that this is the

3932
02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:51,280
answer

3933
02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:54,080
what is the behavior that's going on and

3934
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,519
how is that

3935
02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:57,760
either literally i often use this word

3936
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:00,719
symbolic behavior but like how how is

3937
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:03,439
that behave what is that behavior saying

3938
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:04,559
about

3939
02:19:08,549 --> 02:19:06,800
the thing that says there is a god in

3940
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:08,559
the first place i mean are cows going

3941
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:11,439
around talking about god our uh fish

3942
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:13,120
talking about god no it's humans that

3943
02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:15,760
are talking about god right so part of

3944
02:19:19,509 --> 02:19:17,679
the answer to this and spinoza i think

3945
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:19,519
is a great person to study on this you

3946
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:21,359
know who's talking about god well

3947
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:23,519
spinoza is and he's aware of this right

3948
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:25,519
and so he then starts to think about

3949
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:28,240
well ethical behavior and this that and

3950
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:29,760
could you live forever and he comes up

3951
02:19:32,629 --> 02:19:31,439
with these solutions to

3952
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:32,639
you know that and he says well basically

3953
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:34,000
you are going to live forever at some

3954
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:35,599
level because as long as there are

3955
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,359
humans which are

3956
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:39,040
information storage and retrieval

3957
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:41,280
devices then part of the information

3958
02:19:45,110 --> 02:19:43,200
that passed through you is also going to

3959
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:45,120
pass through them so

3960
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:46,719
stop worrying about it you know you're

3961
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:48,720
you're um your

3962
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:49,600
your

3963
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:53,600
so long as there are humans through

3964
02:19:56,309 --> 02:19:55,280
which information can be stored and

3965
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:56,319
retrieved

3966
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:58,720
and i think that that's the answer in

3967
02:20:02,870 --> 02:20:00,560
many many ways or i feel that that's the

3968
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:02,880
answer to the question of does god exist

3969
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:05,600
or not who's talking about it

3970
02:20:11,270 --> 02:20:08,560
how are they talking about it and

3971
02:20:12,630 --> 02:20:11,280
in what ways is there congruence between

3972
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:12,640
what they're saying and what they're

3973
02:20:15,110 --> 02:20:14,240
doing right

3974
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:15,120
because

3975
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:17,280
there's a lack of congruence all across

3976
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:18,640
the board

3977
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:21,760
including in myself and that's what you

3978
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:24,080
would predict from humans

3979
02:20:26,309 --> 02:20:25,359
so

3980
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:26,319
you know

3981
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,080
take it or leave it but that's that's my

3982
02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:30,319
answer to the god question who's having

3983
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:32,080
it how are they behaving and where's the

3984
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:33,760
congruence in what they're saying and

3985
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:36,080
what they're doing speaking on free will

3986
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:38,000
i heard you say that there's no evidence

3987
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:39,680
for free will but

3988
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:41,840
i know well there's no evidence for your

3989
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:43,200
existence either there's no evidence

3990
02:20:45,670 --> 02:20:44,720
that you're conscious there's no

3991
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:45,680
evidence

3992
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:48,399
that i don't think is the case let's say

3993
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:50,160
let's talk about free will and i don't

3994
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,479
understand why people are so adamant

3995
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:54,640
about that free will exists or that it

3996
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,800
doesn't exist i mean i understand it to

3997
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:58,720
some degree because people even even

3998
02:21:02,070 --> 02:21:00,720
daniel dennett would say that free will

3999
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:02,080
hinges on responsibility or

4000
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:04,080
responsibility depends on free will and

4001
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:05,600
so on but

4002
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:08,319
regardless of that there are extremely

4003
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:10,640
extremely bright neuroscientists for

4004
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:13,280
example the world's most preeminent

4005
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:15,359
neuroscientist his name is carl firsten

4006
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:17,439
he has the most citations he has an h

4007
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:20,000
index of over 200.

4008
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:23,120
over 200 as an h index

4009
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,640
brilliant brilliant scientists don't

4010
02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:26,720
have over a hundred like it's hard to

4011
02:21:29,990 --> 02:21:28,080
get over 50

4012
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:30,000
on an h index he has over 200. anyway

4013
02:21:33,990 --> 02:21:31,920
even he is like well and he's a

4014
02:21:35,429 --> 02:21:34,000
neuroscientist even he says

4015
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,439
there is

4016
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:37,200
free will may exist and he has a model

4017
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:39,840
for free will nicholas justin who's a

4018
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,040
quantum

4019
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:43,439
physicist without without appealing to

4020
02:21:47,110 --> 02:21:44,960
the quantum nature of consciousness like

4021
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:47,120
some people do he says you can't

4022
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:48,880
disprove free will in the same way that

4023
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:50,960
you can't disprove that real numbers or

4024
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:52,160
integers

4025
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:53,840
are properties of

4026
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:55,680
matter that some i know that sounds a

4027
02:21:58,950 --> 02:21:56,720
bit technical but there is an

4028
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,960
association there

4029
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:00,479
either way i don't know how people can

4030
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:02,640
take one side of that issue it's so

4031
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:05,120
contentious and it's not as if there's

4032
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,200
evid there's overwhelming evidence one

4033
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:09,359
way or the other so either way whatever

4034
02:22:11,670 --> 02:22:10,880
i want to hear what do you think about

4035
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:11,680
that

4036
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:13,280
well i think i think it's easy to

4037
02:22:16,630 --> 02:22:14,800
evidence why there's no free will as

4038
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:16,640
such but we got to define our terms

4039
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:17,840
right because there's difference between

4040
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:20,640
acts of oil and free will as it's often

4041
02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:23,280
discussed which is you know nuanced what

4042
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:25,840
what exactly is meant there uh but

4043
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,760
notice something here and this is this

4044
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:29,680
is an answer to the free will question

4045
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:31,840
you wanted to make sure and please don't

4046
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:33,680
be offended if i use you as an example

4047
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:36,160
yeah i do this i do this myself all the

4048
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:37,520
time too

4049
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:41,040
200 citations 200 citations right now

4050
02:22:46,790 --> 02:22:44,560
why would a human go out of their way to

4051
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:46,800
couch a presentation of something in

4052
02:22:50,469 --> 02:22:49,280
that well that's because we symbolically

4053
02:22:52,309 --> 02:22:50,479
i would use that word

4054
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:52,319
we symbolically

4055
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:55,200
imbue value on things

4056
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,680
by our training so when we talk about

4057
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:59,600
free will i would say that that is part

4058
02:23:03,190 --> 02:23:01,200
of the evidence of the absence of free

4059
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:03,200
will because that is something you've

4060
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:05,200
seen other people do that is something

4061
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:06,399
i've seen other people do it's something

4062
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:08,479
i've done myself this is the guy right

4063
02:23:13,990 --> 02:23:12,000
because he's got 200 publications so

4064
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:14,000
that behavior is already starting to

4065
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:16,080
show that humans don't have free will

4066
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:19,600
because humans are playing out

4067
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:21,040
theatrical

4068
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,000
and

4069
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:23,840
you know uh

4070
02:23:29,510 --> 02:23:27,439
grammatical and rhetorical patterns in

4071
02:23:32,389 --> 02:23:29,520
the same way a jazz musician trains

4072
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:32,399
themselves not not to like invent in the

4073
02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:34,720
moment but they just have this code of

4074
02:23:39,030 --> 02:23:37,359
licks that they are just super tiled

4075
02:23:41,190 --> 02:23:39,040
into and they know what key they're in

4076
02:23:42,469 --> 02:23:41,200
and they just rip right because that's

4077
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,479
what we're doing we're jamming right now

4078
02:23:45,750 --> 02:23:44,399
we're jazzing and riffing but the idea

4079
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:45,760
that we're doing it of our own free

4080
02:23:49,910 --> 02:23:48,000
volition is just patently false we're

4081
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:49,920
using a language that we didn't invent

4082
02:23:53,590 --> 02:23:51,920
that was drilled into us because we were

4083
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,600
exposed to it we didn't have any choice

4084
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:56,000
in i was born in british columbia you

4085
02:23:58,389 --> 02:23:56,720
know

4086
02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:58,399
wherever individuals were born i don't

4087
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:00,319
know you know i just was there that's

4088
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:02,560
the language i got and

4089
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:04,479
so that's the one that i encoded that's

4090
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:06,640
the one i riff with whatever comes out

4091
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:08,640
comes out based on a certain fitness

4092
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:10,479
with with that language but i didn't

4093
02:24:16,150 --> 02:24:13,120
choose any of it right i didn't choose

4094
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:16,160
for youtube to you know some time ago

4095
02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:17,840
show me your channel the richard hire

4096
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:19,600
things come come up i didn't choose to

4097
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:21,840
be interested in memory it just was

4098
02:24:25,270 --> 02:24:23,359
thrust upon me

4099
02:24:27,750 --> 02:24:25,280
it's not exactly um

4100
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,760
hi to gary and gevorfenheit or you know

4101
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:30,160
being thrown into the world but in some

4102
02:24:35,429 --> 02:24:33,520
sense that's what we are so yes there

4103
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:35,439
are all kinds of little ways to talk

4104
02:24:41,429 --> 02:24:37,920
about acts of will and how that we have

4105
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:41,439
agency to act in the world but overall

4106
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:42,399
and i think

4107
02:24:44,950 --> 02:24:44,080
this is where i think a lot of people

4108
02:24:46,389 --> 02:24:44,960
miss

4109
02:24:47,830 --> 02:24:46,399
and i don't even think that sam harris

4110
02:24:50,550 --> 02:24:47,840
is necessarily doing that good of a job

4111
02:24:52,870 --> 02:24:50,560
on it but there's the finesse here what

4112
02:24:54,469 --> 02:24:52,880
we're talking about is essentially

4113
02:24:56,710 --> 02:24:54,479
being thrown into the world and not

4114
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:56,720
having much to say about it i can walk

4115
02:25:00,630 --> 02:24:58,960
out some more this morning it's morning

4116
02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:00,640
here in australia i can go to the cafe

4117
02:25:04,710 --> 02:25:03,040
and get hit by a bus right i don't

4118
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,720
i don't have nearly as much i might be

4119
02:25:09,190 --> 02:25:06,720
as cautious as

4120
02:25:11,349 --> 02:25:09,200
i want to be i can look left i can look

4121
02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:11,359
right and a rock can still fall from the

4122
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:12,640
sky so

4123
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:15,120
you know so much is contingent upon

4124
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:17,920
chance that the notion of of me having

4125
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:20,560
much choice in in what i ate

4126
02:25:25,670 --> 02:25:23,200
three days ago in a 72 hour cycle not

4127
02:25:27,270 --> 02:25:25,680
causing me to go ballistic and uh do

4128
02:25:29,670 --> 02:25:27,280
some crazy stuff and i have a mental

4129
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:29,680
illness right i mean it's just

4130
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:32,000
where's the free will in any of this

4131
02:25:35,830 --> 02:25:34,240
i'm but i'm a biological unit who has

4132
02:25:37,349 --> 02:25:35,840
somehow become aware of being a

4133
02:25:39,590 --> 02:25:37,359
biological unit

4134
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:39,600
and i i i'm i'm strapped to the meat

4135
02:25:43,030 --> 02:25:41,359
tube

4136
02:25:43,750 --> 02:25:43,040
here's what occurs to me when i hear

4137
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:43,760
that

4138
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:45,200
what you've demonstrated is only

4139
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:47,760
constraints or influence so for example

4140
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:49,439
the books on the shelf behind you though

4141
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:51,280
they're fake because it's an image it

4142
02:25:55,110 --> 02:25:53,520
doesn't matter what screen right exactly

4143
02:25:56,389 --> 02:25:55,120
okay so imagine one of those books fell

4144
02:25:58,469 --> 02:25:56,399
and you say well it didn't have the free

4145
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:58,479
will to fall because first of all it

4146
02:26:02,309 --> 02:26:00,479
didn't choose itself to be a book second

4147
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:02,319
of all it wasn't it didn't choose which

4148
02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:04,160
shelf it was on okay but all of that

4149
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:05,200
just demonstrates that there are

4150
02:26:09,110 --> 02:26:07,359
constraints placed not that there's a

4151
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:09,120
complete lack of free will

4152
02:26:12,469 --> 02:26:11,040
and as for

4153
02:26:21,230 --> 02:26:12,479
the

4154
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:21,240
be

4155
02:26:28,230 --> 02:26:25,920
0.000000 with and with the 35 zeros

4156
02:26:29,990 --> 02:26:28,240
and then a one

4157
02:26:32,070 --> 02:26:30,000
even if you choose that little one

4158
02:26:34,389 --> 02:26:32,080
somehow choose it's not clear what

4159
02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:34,399
choose means because we get into notions

4160
02:26:38,389 --> 02:26:35,920
of causation

4161
02:26:41,349 --> 02:26:38,399
how do you cause once how does one self

4162
02:26:43,510 --> 02:26:41,359
cause oneself how does one cause oneself

4163
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:43,520
one's action

4164
02:26:47,670 --> 02:26:45,600
that's not easy but

4165
02:26:49,030 --> 02:26:47,680
not to get into quantum physics or to

4166
02:26:50,469 --> 02:26:49,040
pretend that quantum physics is the

4167
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:50,479
answer

4168
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:52,319
i'm only using quantum physics as an

4169
02:26:55,429 --> 02:26:53,840
analogy to

4170
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:55,439
to demonstrate that it's possible that

4171
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:57,120
they're

4172
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:01,520
you can think of a particle now this is

4173
02:27:04,630 --> 02:27:03,280
maybe personifying a bit too much but

4174
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:04,640
you can think of a particle let's say

4175
02:27:08,230 --> 02:27:07,040
one that decays okay let's say how do

4176
02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:08,240
you know when it's going to decay does

4177
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:10,399
it choose when we don't know the answer

4178
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:12,479
to that we don't imbue

4179
02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:14,800
uranium with a personality

4180
02:27:20,309 --> 02:27:16,399
but

4181
02:27:22,550 --> 02:27:20,319
of free will there's someone named

4182
02:27:24,870 --> 02:27:22,560
nicholas jessen he says that science

4183
02:27:26,230 --> 02:27:24,880
presupposes free will as well so if

4184
02:27:27,590 --> 02:27:26,240
you're going to invalidate free will

4185
02:27:29,830 --> 02:27:27,600
based on a scientific framework you

4186
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:29,840
can't because you presuppose free will

4187
02:27:33,270 --> 02:27:31,680
in the formulation of science how

4188
02:27:34,870 --> 02:27:33,280
because you have to stand outside and

4189
02:27:37,349 --> 02:27:34,880
freely choose your experiment as a

4190
02:27:38,710 --> 02:27:37,359
scientist in order to uncorrelate

4191
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:38,720
yourself from the

4192
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:41,040
data otherwise all your data is

4193
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:42,800
completely corrupted if

4194
02:27:47,830 --> 02:27:44,640
if i know that every time look there's a

4195
02:27:50,790 --> 02:27:47,840
red light behind me if

4196
02:27:52,150 --> 02:27:50,800
if all if my looking there causes the

4197
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:52,160
red light or looking at the screen

4198
02:27:55,990 --> 02:27:53,920
causes the red light i can't say that

4199
02:27:58,230 --> 02:27:56,000
that red light exists so there has to be

4200
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:58,240
some independent quality of myself and

4201
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:01,520
my and the data so that's another reason

4202
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:02,960
why

4203
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:04,560
i don't know if one can use science to

4204
02:28:10,830 --> 02:28:06,720
invalidate free will when

4205
02:28:14,950 --> 02:28:13,190
and and you mentioned these constraints

4206
02:28:16,469 --> 02:28:14,960
and that's 100 correct there are

4207
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:16,479
constraints dark by the way i'm not

4208
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:18,399
arguing free will exists just so you

4209
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:20,800
know i'm just saying that i don't i i

4210
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:23,520
don't unders i i see some that there to

4211
02:28:27,590 --> 02:28:26,000
be per to be frank when i hear some

4212
02:28:30,150 --> 02:28:27,600
people adamantly say that free will

4213
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:30,160
exists or if free will doesn't exist

4214
02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:31,840
i have the sneaking suspicion that they

4215
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:33,840
have some other psychological motivation

4216
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:35,359
to say so

4217
02:28:41,270 --> 02:28:38,000
or that they have already come to that

4218
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:41,280
conclusion and now they're justifying it

4219
02:28:45,190 --> 02:28:43,120
the reason i say that is because it's

4220
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:45,200
such a difficult issue why would you be

4221
02:28:48,309 --> 02:28:45,920
so

4222
02:28:49,270 --> 02:28:48,319
why would you take one side or the other

4223
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:49,280
like

4224
02:28:52,389 --> 02:28:50,640
the more you study it the more you

4225
02:28:54,389 --> 02:28:52,399
realize there's absolute conflict and

4226
02:28:55,990 --> 02:28:54,399
people like sam harris have podcasts

4227
02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:56,000
about no there's uniformity in the

4228
02:28:59,750 --> 02:28:58,000
neuroscientific community about free

4229
02:29:01,670 --> 02:28:59,760
will notice no there absolutely isn't

4230
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:01,680
even people like like i mentioned call

4231
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:04,640
carl firsten and

4232
02:29:08,150 --> 02:29:06,399
and anil seth and you also mentioned

4233
02:29:10,630 --> 02:29:08,160
well courage you're

4234
02:29:14,309 --> 02:29:10,640
you're being

4235
02:29:15,590 --> 02:29:14,319
about

4236
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:15,600
collegi

4237
02:29:24,469 --> 02:29:20,160
like with the citations and so on that

4238
02:29:28,630 --> 02:29:26,389
when evaluating the scientific

4239
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:28,640
experiments that invalidate supposedly

4240
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:30,960
invalidate free will we also do that so

4241
02:29:34,230 --> 02:29:33,040
in the invalidation of free will there

4242
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:34,240
is still the

4243
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:36,640
use of this tool

4244
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:43,349
i've lost my train of thought hopefully

4245
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:45,439
you can pick up the cards that i've just

4246
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:47,040
thrown on the floor

4247
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:49,680
yeah well look i i'm all up for it too

4248
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:51,840
and i love to read these things and you

4249
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:53,040
know

4250
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:55,200
go through the ideas and so forth i

4251
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:57,040
haven't i haven't really decided i've

4252
02:30:00,230 --> 02:29:58,399
just said i don't see compelling

4253
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:00,240
evidence that there's free will but i'm

4254
02:30:05,270 --> 02:30:02,640
open to all kinds of evidence but in the

4255
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:05,280
free will as i mean it i still don't see

4256
02:30:09,510 --> 02:30:08,000
evidence of it rather i see the opposite

4257
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:09,520
because part of the free will is could

4258
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:10,960
you go back and change what you did

4259
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:12,479
right and

4260
02:30:16,870 --> 02:30:14,160
that's not possible because the past is

4261
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:16,880
an image inside of you and

4262
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:19,280
or you know it's it's a memory inside of

4263
02:30:22,630 --> 02:30:21,040
you and you can go back and change

4264
02:30:24,630 --> 02:30:22,640
memories that's for sure but your very

4265
02:30:25,910 --> 02:30:24,640
memory is already corrupt so you talked

4266
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:25,920
about data corruption you know like

4267
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:27,760
standing outside of it and that would

4268
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:31,200
correct your data hold on data is always

4269
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:33,600
already stored somehow it's all

4270
02:30:37,510 --> 02:30:35,840
maybe not always but it's you know not

4271
02:30:39,910 --> 02:30:37,520
exactly as pure as one would make it and

4272
02:30:41,910 --> 02:30:39,920
so forth and then in our own memories

4273
02:30:43,990 --> 02:30:41,920
we we don't even know that we remembered

4274
02:30:47,030 --> 02:30:44,000
what we remembered as accurately as we

4275
02:30:48,550 --> 02:30:47,040
could right so in that sort of thing of

4276
02:30:50,550 --> 02:30:48,560
like hey

4277
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:50,560
look at how science you know we we use

4278
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:53,600
this language 200 sort of stuff uh 200

4279
02:30:56,790 --> 02:30:55,040
publications and that means yeah it was

4280
02:31:53,270 --> 02:30:56,800
h

4281
02:31:54,870 --> 02:31:53,280
know somebody's gonna write a book about

4282
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:54,880
neuroscience and they're gonna cite sam

4283
02:31:58,710 --> 02:31:56,960
harris's episode and maybe even have the

4284
02:32:01,510 --> 02:31:58,720
whole transcript and it's going to be

4285
02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:01,520
you know part of a larger text that is

4286
02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:04,160
in the battle against so and so so

4287
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:06,720
my big call towards this is

4288
02:32:11,750 --> 02:32:08,960
essentially nichian in nature which is

4289
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:11,760
we are driven to behave in certain ways

4290
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:15,760
according to biological imperatives and

4291
02:32:19,830 --> 02:32:17,840
whether we call it free will this free

4292
02:32:21,670 --> 02:32:19,840
will that we define it that way at the

4293
02:32:24,389 --> 02:32:21,680
end of the day are we aware of those

4294
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:24,399
biological imperatives and are we aware

4295
02:32:28,950 --> 02:32:27,040
when we are structuring hierarchies

4296
02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:28,960
referring to hierarchies perhaps cow

4297
02:32:33,030 --> 02:32:30,880
towing a little bit to this hierarchy a

4298
02:32:34,389 --> 02:32:33,040
little bit less than that are we aware

4299
02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:34,399
of this and are we aware of the

4300
02:32:38,230 --> 02:32:36,080
implications of it and when we're

4301
02:32:40,309 --> 02:32:38,240
preaching stuff are we practicing it are

4302
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:40,319
we even capable of practicing it why do

4303
02:32:44,070 --> 02:32:41,920
you think jordan peterson is so popular

4304
02:32:46,230 --> 02:32:44,080
right now because he's obviously the guy

4305
02:32:49,429 --> 02:32:46,240
who cannot practice what he's preaching

4306
02:32:52,469 --> 02:32:49,439
but he's damn close in some sense right

4307
02:32:56,469 --> 02:32:52,479
and he's just constantly you know

4308
02:32:58,870 --> 02:32:56,479
uh pointing us to the impossibility of

4309
02:33:01,349 --> 02:32:58,880
the very thing that we should strive for

4310
02:33:03,110 --> 02:33:01,359
knowing that so many chips are stacked

4311
02:33:04,230 --> 02:33:03,120
against us now whether he's right or

4312
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:04,240
wrong i'm not saying i'm just saying

4313
02:33:08,150 --> 02:33:06,560
look at the popularity of it why would

4314
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:08,160
that go so

4315
02:33:10,950 --> 02:33:09,280
you know people say well it's because

4316
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:10,960
you need we need a father figure yeah

4317
02:33:14,710 --> 02:33:13,200
yeah etc well

4318
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:14,720
why would we need one well it's because

4319
02:33:20,230 --> 02:33:17,280
we don't have enough will in ourselves

4320
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:20,240
to you know have a have a compass to

4321
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:21,840
have something to pattern ourselves

4322
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:25,040
after because without adopting a frame

4323
02:33:28,950 --> 02:33:26,800
of reference without having something to

4324
02:33:31,349 --> 02:33:28,960
copy even if it's a bad copy

4325
02:33:33,750 --> 02:33:31,359
then you know

4326
02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:33,760
our free will does nothing for us having

4327
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:36,800
free will is nothing without a referent

4328
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:39,280
so again it's just kind of like a so

4329
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:41,920
what i'm all for people battling and

4330
02:33:45,429 --> 02:33:43,760
this and that and evidence this and that

4331
02:33:46,630 --> 02:33:45,439
it all just still comes down to if

4332
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:46,640
you're right

4333
02:33:51,030 --> 02:33:49,200
what changes and so far i haven't seen a

4334
02:33:52,230 --> 02:33:51,040
whole lot changing and i don't know that

4335
02:33:54,389 --> 02:33:52,240
it ever will

4336
02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:54,399
except for maybe elon musk succeeds with

4337
02:33:58,710 --> 02:33:56,800
neurolink and um that we can all

4338
02:33:59,990 --> 02:33:58,720
download enlightenment

4339
02:34:02,309 --> 02:34:00,000
but are we going to want the

4340
02:34:03,990 --> 02:34:02,319
consequences of what enlightenment is

4341
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:04,000
and i don't think so

4342
02:34:07,190 --> 02:34:05,520
you know you don't want it forced on you

4343
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:07,200
i don't think so

4344
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:08,800
what would the consequence of

4345
02:34:14,230 --> 02:34:11,200
enlightenment be

4346
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:14,240
you'd realize this is a zero-sum game

4347
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:17,120
this is it so you're gonna you know

4348
02:34:20,309 --> 02:34:18,800
buck up or shut up because now's the

4349
02:34:22,790 --> 02:34:20,319
time to enjoy

4350
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:22,800
and they're coming back so you know be

4351
02:34:27,910 --> 02:34:24,160
awake

4352
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:29,910
that's that's what enlightenment is what

4353
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:36,630
meaning

4354
02:34:41,110 --> 02:34:39,190
say that in another way

4355
02:34:41,990 --> 02:34:41,120
please

4356
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:42,000
so

4357
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:46,000
know they like to have a lot of opinions

4358
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:47,520
about it they like to say that there's

4359
02:34:51,750 --> 02:34:50,240
evidence for it we're here

4360
02:34:53,590 --> 02:34:51,760
right now yes

4361
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:53,600
we're having this discussion right now

4362
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:54,560
yeah

4363
02:35:00,550 --> 02:34:58,399
whatever

4364
02:35:02,389 --> 02:35:00,560
that's the point what changes if we

4365
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:02,399
aren't what if this is all illusion what

4366
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:04,000
changes nothing there's still death

4367
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,160
there's still taxes it's still like you

4368
02:35:10,630 --> 02:35:08,479
know this this meat tube is gonna show

4369
02:35:13,349 --> 02:35:10,640
up and die in a hospital one day or die

4370
02:35:14,710 --> 02:35:13,359
at home it's going to pay the bills etc

4371
02:35:17,110 --> 02:35:14,720
like nothing changes whether this is

4372
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:17,120
real or not as far as i can tell you

4373
02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:19,280
uh-huh okay so this is interesting i see

4374
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:21,439
what you're saying

4375
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:22,720
okay i would say

4376
02:35:27,830 --> 02:35:24,800
i can pay my taxes with bliss i would

4377
02:35:29,990 --> 02:35:27,840
see okay now this is a this is an

4378
02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:30,000
extremely technical argument and i can't

4379
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:32,000
even recapitulate it it's

4380
02:35:37,429 --> 02:35:35,200
it's it's absolutely

4381
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,439
well it's it's riveting if

4382
02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:39,359
it's but it's it's tricky there's

4383
02:35:41,750 --> 02:35:40,640
something called the free energy

4384
02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:41,760
principle i don't know if you've heard

4385
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:43,120
it's called carl fristen i keep

4386
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:44,640
mentioning him because i spoke to him

4387
02:35:47,110 --> 02:35:46,160
earlier today

4388
02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:47,120
and

4389
02:35:51,990 --> 02:35:49,600
carl fristen says that what we are what

4390
02:35:53,990 --> 02:35:52,000
anything no thing can give you can give

4391
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:54,000
a technical definition to what a thing

4392
02:35:57,990 --> 02:35:56,399
is what anything is

4393
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:58,000
is

4394
02:36:00,870 --> 02:35:59,680
that survives you can give a technical

4395
02:36:02,150 --> 02:36:00,880
definition as to what it means to

4396
02:36:04,389 --> 02:36:02,160
survive

4397
02:36:06,950 --> 02:36:04,399
is something that is self-organizing so

4398
02:36:09,270 --> 02:36:06,960
now we get into ideas that are similar

4399
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,280
to life so self-organizing and that has

4400
02:36:13,429 --> 02:36:11,600
beliefs about what's outside of it and

4401
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:13,439
then can act on those beliefs and also

4402
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:15,680
take some sensory information now what's

4403
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:18,240
interesting is in his model which by the

4404
02:36:23,030 --> 02:36:20,720
way if it's to be believed then it's

4405
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:23,040
extremely extremely general it's an

4406
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:26,240
extremely general argument which

4407
02:36:29,830 --> 02:36:27,920
works even if the laws of physics were

4408
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:29,840
slightly different it works in an

4409
02:36:33,670 --> 02:36:30,960
extremely

4410
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:33,680
abstract sense as to as to what is a

4411
02:36:39,670 --> 02:36:36,960
thing and this is why saying this with

4412
02:36:41,349 --> 02:36:39,680
words is difficult because it requires a

4413
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:41,359
precise mathematical formulation and

4414
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:42,720
even that is

4415
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:45,840
it's not simple math it's

4416
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:48,960
first second year math but the

4417
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:50,640
but it's still not simple it's not

4418
02:36:54,150 --> 02:36:52,319
simple math okay

4419
02:36:56,309 --> 02:36:54,160
he said that let's imagine this little

4420
02:36:58,230 --> 02:36:56,319
guy here this is a cell now the cell

4421
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:58,240
could be a person as well it could be a

4422
02:37:01,830 --> 02:37:00,479
society even whatever it could it can be

4423
02:37:04,309 --> 02:37:01,840
a single cell

4424
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,319
it has beliefs about the outside then

4425
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:06,319
what's interesting is

4426
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,280
if it has a different belief

4427
02:37:14,469 --> 02:37:11,760
it actually changes the world so when

4428
02:37:17,270 --> 02:37:14,479
you say well what's the difference if so

4429
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:17,280
and so is the case or is not

4430
02:37:20,950 --> 02:37:19,840
well what what changes is

4431
02:37:22,950 --> 02:37:20,960
sure

4432
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:22,960
the world at that instant doesn't change

4433
02:37:27,990 --> 02:37:25,359
but the world will then change later

4434
02:37:29,510 --> 02:37:28,000
your beliefs influence your action

4435
02:37:31,510 --> 02:37:29,520
and it

4436
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:31,520
there's an inextricable link between

4437
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:32,479
them

4438
02:37:36,550 --> 02:37:33,840
so that's what i would say and actually

4439
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:36,560
in some way you co-create the universe

4440
02:37:40,309 --> 02:37:38,479
so the universe outside you

4441
02:37:42,230 --> 02:37:40,319
this is strange because

4442
02:37:43,910 --> 02:37:42,240
well it's not strange it's it's it's

4443
02:37:46,870 --> 02:37:43,920
technical in the sense that

4444
02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:46,880
i i'm let's imagine that i'm inside here

4445
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:48,800
and i'm in a home right now

4446
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:51,600
and there's walls now if this was a

4447
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:53,760
living being then somehow i have to be

4448
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:55,280
sensing the outside world and then i

4449
02:37:59,110 --> 02:37:56,720
have to be acting so these walls have to

4450
02:38:00,870 --> 02:37:59,120
be moving and and messing around with

4451
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:00,880
the world but what's interesting is in

4452
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:03,760
that formalism the world

4453
02:38:07,510 --> 02:38:05,680
you can there's a duality between the

4454
02:38:09,670 --> 02:38:07,520
inside and the outside and that means

4455
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:09,680
you can also view the world as acting on

4456
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:10,720
me

4457
02:38:15,429 --> 02:38:12,640
in the in an equivalent manner which

4458
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:15,439
means that my beliefs actually change

4459
02:38:20,389 --> 02:38:18,160
the world so when someone says well what

4460
02:38:22,950 --> 02:38:20,399
difference does it make if this belief

4461
02:38:26,389 --> 02:38:22,960
was to be believed or or not well in

4462
02:38:27,429 --> 02:38:26,399
carl fr and i would 100 be that down

4463
02:38:30,389 --> 02:38:27,439
that route

4464
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:30,399
a month or two months ago but

4465
02:38:35,190 --> 02:38:32,880
mathematically actually your own beliefs

4466
02:38:36,550 --> 02:38:35,200
do change the world

4467
02:38:38,070 --> 02:38:36,560
even

4468
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:38,080
right they change the world they change

4469
02:38:40,870 --> 02:38:39,439
the world that's right they're reflected

4470
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:40,880
what do we mean by the world though what

4471
02:38:43,030 --> 02:38:42,240
what is the world what does that even

4472
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:43,040
mean

4473
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:44,800
right okay so here's how it's defined

4474
02:38:48,389 --> 02:38:46,800
here's how it's defined let's imagine

4475
02:38:49,750 --> 02:38:48,399
there are let's imagine we have a

4476
02:38:51,510 --> 02:38:49,760
checker board and they're just dots on

4477
02:38:54,230 --> 02:38:51,520
the checkerboard and then let's imagine

4478
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:54,240
that you can connect some of the dots

4479
02:38:57,510 --> 02:38:56,399
any amount of the dots in any which way

4480
02:39:00,550 --> 02:38:57,520
okay so now this looks like a

4481
02:39:03,910 --> 02:39:02,150
um

4482
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:03,920
game of checkers with lines in between

4483
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:06,399
them like a serial killer has lines

4484
02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:08,000
sorry like the detective has lines

4485
02:39:10,630 --> 02:39:09,760
trying to find the the serial killer

4486
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:10,640
with

4487
02:39:15,110 --> 02:39:13,760
connection between them and then let's

4488
02:39:16,950 --> 02:39:15,120
imagine you put arrows and that means

4489
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:16,960
this influences this this influences

4490
02:39:19,590 --> 02:39:18,479
this

4491
02:39:21,190 --> 02:39:19,600
okay

4492
02:39:22,469 --> 02:39:21,200
that's all that's meant by the world is

4493
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:22,479
that there exists

4494
02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:24,880
there exists nodes and some can

4495
02:39:27,750 --> 02:39:26,240
influence one another as to what those

4496
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:27,760
are those could be a society influencing

4497
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:29,040
a person it could be a person

4498
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:30,720
influencing society could be a cell

4499
02:39:35,510 --> 02:39:33,280
influencing a rock it could be a rock

4500
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:35,520
it's it's left absolutely general so

4501
02:39:39,349 --> 02:39:38,479
that's what's meant by the world in this

4502
02:39:41,670 --> 02:39:39,359
okay

4503
02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:41,680
well to be charitable to that then we

4504
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:43,040
have to say

4505
02:39:46,150 --> 02:39:45,120
we have to go back to intelligence right

4506
02:39:47,429 --> 02:39:46,160
so

4507
02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:47,439
the people who have the most

4508
02:39:50,870 --> 02:39:49,200
intelligence are doing a real bad job

4509
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:50,880
because if they can change the world you

4510
02:39:56,790 --> 02:39:54,160
know just by thinking a certain way then

4511
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:56,800
they are either quite weak right now or

4512
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:58,399
they're incredibly strong but they're

4513
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:00,800
the battle that they're fighting is is

4514
02:40:04,389 --> 02:40:03,280
stronger right

4515
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:04,399
so

4516
02:40:08,230 --> 02:40:06,560
it just comes back to if it's true what

4517
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:08,240
changes and if it's not true what

4518
02:40:11,429 --> 02:40:10,080
changes but if that kind of thing is

4519
02:40:13,910 --> 02:40:11,439
true that thoughts can change the world

4520
02:40:16,150 --> 02:40:13,920
and so forth then we we appear to be in

4521
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:16,160
a frame a game that has an 80 20

4522
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:18,720
distribution and the 20 of the people

4523
02:40:22,469 --> 02:40:20,720
who are so gifted to even sit there and

4524
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:22,479
concentrate on changing the world in a

4525
02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:24,880
positive way they're not doing very good

4526
02:40:29,349 --> 02:40:27,840
you know or they're doing all too well

4527
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:29,359
you know against the forces that they

4528
02:40:31,910 --> 02:40:30,640
battle with

4529
02:40:33,670 --> 02:40:31,920
but i think it's a

4530
02:40:35,590 --> 02:40:33,680
little bit of a stretch to think that

4531
02:40:38,150 --> 02:40:35,600
you know that is what's happening and i

4532
02:40:39,590 --> 02:40:38,160
would personally feel that with the

4533
02:40:41,030 --> 02:40:39,600
amount of intelligence that i have

4534
02:40:44,469 --> 02:40:41,040
whatever you would call that i don't

4535
02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:44,479
know how you would would uh sum it up

4536
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:46,479
i'm a failure because damn if i can

4537
02:40:49,349 --> 02:40:48,080
change the world just by changing my you

4538
02:40:51,590 --> 02:40:49,359
know my thoughts

4539
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:51,600
i'm not doing nearly enough you know and

4540
02:40:56,550 --> 02:40:54,880
i can't i i i can't see that i've

4541
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:56,560
accomplished nearly as much as i should

4542
02:40:59,429 --> 02:40:58,560
be able to if that's true

4543
02:41:03,750 --> 02:40:59,439
or

4544
02:41:05,750 --> 02:41:03,760
say man there are masters out there who

4545
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:05,760
are better than you maybe one day kid

4546
02:41:10,150 --> 02:41:08,000
maybe one day i see what you're saying

4547
02:41:12,150 --> 02:41:10,160
i think that it's just those kinds of

4548
02:41:13,910 --> 02:41:12,160
things just circle us back to

4549
02:41:15,110 --> 02:41:13,920
the same position

4550
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:15,120
okay let me see if i understand what

4551
02:41:19,830 --> 02:41:17,520
you're saying so

4552
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:19,840
taking this idea of one's own thoughts

4553
02:41:24,389 --> 02:41:22,640
can change the world and then

4554
02:41:26,230 --> 02:41:24,399
stretching that out and saying if i can

4555
02:41:29,270 --> 02:41:26,240
change the world why can't through a

4556
02:41:32,469 --> 02:41:29,280
sheer force of will or through a sheer

4557
02:41:34,469 --> 02:41:32,479
shift of beliefs why can't i drastically

4558
02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:34,479
improve the conditions of many people on

4559
02:41:38,230 --> 02:41:35,680
the earth

4560
02:41:39,670 --> 02:41:38,240
is it something like that spider-man 101

4561
02:41:41,590 --> 02:41:39,680
with great power comes great

4562
02:41:43,990 --> 02:41:41,600
responsibility so [\h__\h] up cowboy if you

4563
02:41:45,910 --> 02:41:44,000
can do that let's go like let's see it

4564
02:41:47,590 --> 02:41:45,920
and the fact the better is there are

4565
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:47,600
people who are doing incredible things

4566
02:41:51,990 --> 02:41:49,680
but are they doing it are they doing it

4567
02:41:53,830 --> 02:41:52,000
because the proposition that you have

4568
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:53,840
laid out i'm not saying that you you

4569
02:41:57,510 --> 02:41:55,439
yeah yeah yeah yeah you're forwarding it

4570
02:41:59,270 --> 02:41:57,520
but yeah is it is the impact that

4571
02:42:01,910 --> 02:41:59,280
they're creating on the world is it

4572
02:42:03,830 --> 02:42:01,920
because that that proposition is true or

4573
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:03,840
is it that they're creating impact in

4574
02:42:07,270 --> 02:42:05,439
the world

4575
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:07,280
because of something else that governs

4576
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:10,640
the other laws that govern reality

4577
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,399
like really i mean

4578
02:42:16,070 --> 02:42:14,640
because if we can figure that out

4579
02:42:17,990 --> 02:42:16,080
then maybe

4580
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:18,000
maybe some true

4581
02:42:21,910 --> 02:42:19,920
um you know what they sometimes called

4582
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:21,920
the omega point will happen

4583
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:23,840
or you know the singularity will happen

4584
02:42:27,270 --> 02:42:25,680
is that from janus i mean this that from

4585
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:27,280
julian barber the omega point or is that

4586
02:42:30,150 --> 02:42:28,640
from someone else

4587
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:30,160
uh well it's uh i think it's from the

4588
02:42:34,309 --> 02:42:32,960
19th century a french jesuit priest um

4589
02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:34,319
but he may have mentioned i haven't read

4590
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:36,240
that book yet but um

4591
02:42:39,910 --> 02:42:38,240
uh he may mention it he may well i think

4592
02:42:41,349 --> 02:42:39,920
dennett mentioned it too the omega poi

4593
02:42:43,030 --> 02:42:41,359
someone mentioned they'll make a point

4594
02:42:44,469 --> 02:42:43,040
and i'm just trying to recall who it was

4595
02:42:46,550 --> 02:42:44,479
i know that they weren't the originators

4596
02:42:48,150 --> 02:42:46,560
of it but but the omega point has a

4597
02:42:50,630 --> 02:42:48,160
negative consequence too because part of

4598
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:50,640
that idea uh was then taught i think it

4599
02:42:53,830 --> 02:42:52,319
was jacqueline in the technological

4600
02:42:56,309 --> 02:42:53,840
society which came out in the 70s at

4601
02:42:58,630 --> 02:42:56,319
some point he had said yeah if that sort

4602
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:58,640
of thing happens then imagine humanity

4603
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:00,880
builds a machine and then that machine

4604
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:03,920
figures out how to reproduce its own

4605
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:06,720
matter it would then most likely fill

4606
02:43:10,710 --> 02:43:08,960
all available matter with itself pushing

4607
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:10,720
out everything else

4608
02:43:13,349 --> 02:43:12,000
but that might be what's happening

4609
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:13,359
already anyway

4610
02:43:18,309 --> 02:43:15,760
i don't know um but that's not that's

4611
02:43:20,710 --> 02:43:18,319
certainly not for you know

4612
02:43:21,510 --> 02:43:20,720
the betterment of anything necessarily

4613
02:43:25,429 --> 02:43:21,520
just

4614
02:43:27,590 --> 02:43:25,439
totally but maybe that's what the

4615
02:43:30,230 --> 02:43:27,600
universe already is and its selfness

4616
02:43:32,630 --> 02:43:30,240
trying to be itself totally um

4617
02:43:34,389 --> 02:43:32,640
but i again those those ideas are fun i

4618
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:34,399
think there's a genre of people so to

4619
02:43:37,750 --> 02:43:36,080
speak who just love playing around with

4620
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:37,760
those kind of ideas but it always comes

4621
02:43:41,190 --> 02:43:38,800
back to

4622
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:41,200
so what uh what can we do with that now

4623
02:43:45,590 --> 02:43:43,520
and it's possible like i i go back to

4624
02:43:47,429 --> 02:43:45,600
the ant behavior metaphor we've got all

4625
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:47,439
kinds of helper ants on the planet we've

4626
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:49,200
got some ants that are like super ants

4627
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:52,160
maybe and maybe all of humanity maybe is

4628
02:43:56,389 --> 02:43:54,160
conspiring to help elon musk create

4629
02:43:58,150 --> 02:43:56,399
neural link so that it actually works so

4630
02:44:00,950 --> 02:43:58,160
that we don't have to send humans to

4631
02:44:03,349 --> 02:44:00,960
mars we can just send chips into space

4632
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:03,359
that encode our consciousness

4633
02:44:07,349 --> 02:44:05,359
maybe that's what humans are doing but

4634
02:44:09,910 --> 02:44:07,359
if they're doing it based on the

4635
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:09,920
proposition that you said i mean

4636
02:44:14,550 --> 02:44:12,000
you can read it either way damn there's

4637
02:44:15,670 --> 02:44:14,560
some powerful thought ninjas out there

4638
02:44:17,269 --> 02:44:15,680
or

4639
02:44:18,870 --> 02:44:17,279
have what took so long you know i don't

4640
02:44:21,349 --> 02:44:18,880
know but at the end of the day i don't

4641
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:21,359
find it a satisfying proposition at all

4642
02:44:23,670 --> 02:44:22,160
um

4643
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:23,680
myself but

4644
02:44:26,790 --> 02:44:25,120
that's okay that's okay let's get to

4645
02:44:28,950 --> 02:44:26,800
germany let's get to some german

4646
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:28,960
language when we first exchanged some

4647
02:44:31,750 --> 02:44:30,800
emails i asked you

4648
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:31,760
there

4649
02:44:38,870 --> 02:44:37,760
two who speak german and who give

4650
02:44:43,110 --> 02:44:38,880
wonderful

4651
02:44:44,309 --> 02:44:43,120
don't know how to speak

4652
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:44,319
german

4653
02:44:47,590 --> 02:44:45,439
so i

4654
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:47,600
i watch their english lectures but it's

4655
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:48,319
not

4656
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:50,160
but i would love to see the german ones

4657
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:51,680
as well and i thought well

4658
02:44:54,950 --> 02:44:53,120
how can i learn

4659
02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:54,960
german and then i

4660
02:44:58,150 --> 02:44:56,880
as at that point i was already

4661
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:58,160
exchanging emails with you and i saw

4662
02:45:01,670 --> 02:45:00,000
that you're somewhat of a language

4663
02:45:04,070 --> 02:45:01,680
expert yourself so i thought well why

4664
02:45:06,309 --> 02:45:04,080
don't i ask anthony as to how can one go

4665
02:45:08,070 --> 02:45:06,319
about learning german efficiently given

4666
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:08,080
this is my goal i don't need to be

4667
02:45:11,030 --> 02:45:09,680
conversational and go to germany i don't

4668
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:11,040
care about that i care about

4669
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:14,880
understanding these lectures now

4670
02:45:20,710 --> 02:45:18,240
i can clearly just go to the

4671
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:20,720
youtube translation and put in the

4672
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:22,640
closed captions for english and i have

4673
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:25,439
done that but it's boring because

4674
02:45:28,150 --> 02:45:26,880
i have to read and then i have to watch

4675
02:45:31,030 --> 02:45:28,160
i want to see his facial expression is

4676
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:31,040
he joking when he says so and so and the

4677
02:45:35,349 --> 02:45:33,760
translations aren't perfect and it is

4678
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:35,359
distracting to read and to try and

4679
02:45:38,070 --> 02:45:36,640
listen at the same time and i thought

4680
02:45:39,910 --> 02:45:38,080
man it would be wonderful if i could

4681
02:45:41,429 --> 02:45:39,920
speak german but then um

4682
02:45:42,870 --> 02:45:41,439
and then you told me well here's how you

4683
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:42,880
can do it

4684
02:45:46,710 --> 02:45:45,279
but then i thought man that requires so

4685
02:45:48,309 --> 02:45:46,720
much more work

4686
02:45:49,349 --> 02:45:48,319
than at least but you can tell me if i'm

4687
02:45:51,190 --> 02:45:49,359
wrong but this is what it occurred to me

4688
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:51,200
i'm like man this is way harder than i

4689
02:45:53,510 --> 02:45:52,479
thought and i thought it would be as

4690
02:45:55,349 --> 02:45:53,520
simple as

4691
02:45:57,030 --> 02:45:55,359
so you can spend two weeks part-time

4692
02:45:59,190 --> 02:45:57,040
curt like at the end of a night just an

4693
02:46:01,910 --> 02:45:59,200
hour a day for two weeks

4694
02:46:03,750 --> 02:46:01,920
that is 14 hours in total and and learn

4695
02:46:05,110 --> 02:46:03,760
german to the degree that you want to

4696
02:46:06,710 --> 02:46:05,120
learn it i don't think that's true and i

4697
02:46:08,830 --> 02:46:06,720
thought that that i was hoping that

4698
02:46:12,710 --> 02:46:08,840
would be the case

4699
02:46:15,429 --> 02:46:12,720
anyway i think do you think for my goals

4700
02:46:19,030 --> 02:46:17,510
learning german in general for my goals

4701
02:46:21,349 --> 02:46:19,040
now that you know what specifically what

4702
02:46:22,950 --> 02:46:21,359
they are do you think that it's

4703
02:46:26,389 --> 02:46:22,960
it's better for me to

4704
02:46:29,349 --> 02:46:26,399
learn the german that he speaks in that

4705
02:46:31,510 --> 02:46:29,359
lecture or should i just

4706
02:46:32,870 --> 02:46:31,520
swallow the pill of finding it difficult

4707
02:46:36,469 --> 02:46:32,880
to

4708
02:46:37,510 --> 02:46:36,479
time and just read them and go through

4709
02:46:39,190 --> 02:46:37,520
it

4710
02:46:41,269 --> 02:46:39,200
which one do you think is a better use

4711
02:46:44,389 --> 02:46:41,279
for my time given that my goal is simply

4712
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:44,399
to understand those lectures in german

4713
02:46:47,750 --> 02:46:45,840
i think

4714
02:46:48,870 --> 02:46:47,760
well first i have to say i don't know

4715
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:48,880
but

4716
02:46:53,990 --> 02:46:51,359
i would advise you to learn german as

4717
02:46:57,349 --> 02:46:54,000
such because at some level that guy is

4718
02:46:58,870 --> 02:46:57,359
speaking german as such and then

4719
02:47:01,510 --> 02:46:58,880
if you think of german as having many

4720
02:47:03,510 --> 02:47:01,520
aspects to it there's there's the the

4721
02:47:05,190 --> 02:47:03,520
hawk deutsche that he's speaking or

4722
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:05,200
german as such let's call it and then

4723
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:06,720
there's going to be the technical

4724
02:47:11,990 --> 02:47:08,640
language which i noticed a lot of those

4725
02:47:14,309 --> 02:47:12,000
titles are uh you know essentially

4726
02:47:15,830 --> 02:47:14,319
the the german version of

4727
02:47:17,269 --> 02:47:15,840
terms we would recognize in english

4728
02:47:18,469 --> 02:47:17,279
anyway right yeah yeah

4729
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:18,479
but then there's

4730
02:47:22,469 --> 02:47:20,560
yeah there's going to be

4731
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:22,479
there's going to be a lot of nuance that

4732
02:47:25,349 --> 02:47:23,760
comes from

4733
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:25,359
the way german is used in those

4734
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:28,240
technical fields so you then want to

4735
02:47:31,190 --> 02:47:29,520
spend some time

4736
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:31,200
figuring out you know how is he using

4737
02:47:34,790 --> 02:47:33,600
german how do scholars use german

4738
02:47:37,830 --> 02:47:34,800
because

4739
02:47:39,269 --> 02:47:37,840
scholastic german is is quite nuanced um

4740
02:47:41,269 --> 02:47:39,279
uh

4741
02:47:43,750 --> 02:47:41,279
that's a different type of german what a

4742
02:47:45,750 --> 02:47:43,760
language is is already complicated and

4743
02:47:47,349 --> 02:47:45,760
if we're using german as an example i

4744
02:47:49,990 --> 02:47:47,359
mean there is a thing called hak deutsch

4745
02:47:52,550 --> 02:47:50,000
which is sort of the codified german

4746
02:47:55,590 --> 02:47:52,560
that they want you to speak you know uh

4747
02:47:56,469 --> 02:47:55,600
to unify the country

4748
02:47:57,910 --> 02:47:56,479
and

4749
02:48:00,469 --> 02:47:57,920
whether or not people actually speak it

4750
02:48:03,030 --> 02:48:00,479
or not that is the question because i

4751
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:03,040
learned german in both east germany or

4752
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:05,680
in berlin and uh often lived in the east

4753
02:48:10,389 --> 02:48:07,760
part of berlin and i learned it in west

4754
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:10,399
germany uh in sarbrook and

4755
02:48:14,389 --> 02:48:12,399
near the french border which is quite

4756
02:48:16,550 --> 02:48:14,399
influenced by french

4757
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:16,560
in in pronunciation and yada yada so

4758
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:18,960
there's many germans to learn

4759
02:48:21,830 --> 02:48:19,840
so

4760
02:48:23,910 --> 02:48:21,840
i would i would figure out what what

4761
02:48:26,550 --> 02:48:23,920
city that guy lives in and you know try

4762
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:26,560
to um or those guys live in and try to

4763
02:48:30,870 --> 02:48:27,920
figure out you know can you find

4764
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:30,880
examples to work from that may be

4765
02:48:34,950 --> 02:48:33,200
helpful with their accent and so forth

4766
02:48:36,950 --> 02:48:34,960
but definitely learn german as such

4767
02:48:40,630 --> 02:48:36,960
because every technical german that

4768
02:48:42,710 --> 02:48:40,640
they're learning or they're using um

4769
02:48:45,110 --> 02:48:42,720
so i'm not i'm not sure that there is an

4770
02:48:46,550 --> 02:48:45,120
actual term for like this in shaft

4771
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:46,560
deutsch which would be scientific german

4772
02:48:51,030 --> 02:48:48,160
but there is going to be

4773
02:48:53,670 --> 02:48:51,040
in that genre in that in that fach which

4774
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:53,680
is subject um fock deutsch i guess you

4775
02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:54,720
would maybe call it i don't know i'm

4776
02:48:56,790 --> 02:48:55,520
just

4777
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:56,800
you can do this with german like you

4778
02:49:01,190 --> 02:48:59,279
could just make stuff up

4779
02:49:02,710 --> 02:49:01,200
so it must be that somebody has used

4780
02:49:04,550 --> 02:49:02,720
that term before but it would be like

4781
02:49:06,150 --> 02:49:04,560
subject german um so you're going to

4782
02:49:07,910 --> 02:49:06,160
have like these onion layers and the

4783
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,920
more you learn you know you more you

4784
02:49:11,030 --> 02:49:09,680
appear into it but there's like he might

4785
02:49:13,910 --> 02:49:11,040
be from a region that speaks plat

4786
02:49:15,429 --> 02:49:13,920
deutsch or you know he might be uh

4787
02:49:17,269 --> 02:49:15,439
berlinerish or something like this it's

4788
02:49:18,950 --> 02:49:17,279
like i don't know he could be highly

4789
02:49:20,630 --> 02:49:18,960
inflected by certain things his students

4790
02:49:22,710 --> 02:49:20,640
would know because they know german as

4791
02:49:25,269 --> 02:49:22,720
such uh and they you know would be able

4792
02:49:26,469 --> 02:49:25,279
to guess but man i've been in cities

4793
02:49:28,870 --> 02:49:26,479
where

4794
02:49:30,950 --> 02:49:28,880
on one street they say ish kaufa and one

4795
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:30,960
block over they say ichacuff which is

4796
02:49:35,269 --> 02:49:33,040
the same thing yeah i recall you saying

4797
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:35,279
that and for the people listening

4798
02:49:39,830 --> 02:49:37,520
anthony was so kind to me so kind that

4799
02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:39,840
when i just exchanged three emails in

4800
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:42,000
total with him three by the third email

4801
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:43,359
i said hey this is by the way what i'm

4802
02:49:47,910 --> 02:49:45,760
thinking about learning he recorded a 15

4803
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:47,920
minute lecture for me essentially on his

4804
02:49:51,990 --> 02:49:50,479
computer of 15 minutes of his own time

4805
02:49:54,550 --> 02:49:52,000
it wasn't quick

4806
02:49:56,070 --> 02:49:54,560
it wasn't fast typing keyboard

4807
02:49:58,469 --> 02:49:56,080
letters it was

4808
02:50:00,150 --> 02:49:58,479
actual 15 minute screen recording him

4809
02:50:02,070 --> 02:50:00,160
speaking to me speaking to the camera

4810
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:02,080
for me to listen to later i found that

4811
02:50:05,830 --> 02:50:04,000
to be so i didn't thank you enough for

4812
02:50:08,870 --> 02:50:05,840
that so thank you please i didn't i'm

4813
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:08,880
sorry if i i'm curt to use a pun i'm

4814
02:50:12,469 --> 02:50:10,960
curt over emails well this is this is my

4815
02:50:14,150 --> 02:50:12,479
karma yoga this is how i do the

4816
02:50:16,389 --> 02:50:14,160
nietzschean proposition i'm cursed to

4817
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:16,399
live every day so why not live it in the

4818
02:50:21,510 --> 02:50:18,800
way that makes me feel blissful well i

4819
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:21,520
i'm i'm honored and i don't think i'm

4820
02:50:24,870 --> 02:50:23,200
grateful enough for the fact that you

4821
02:50:26,309 --> 02:50:24,880
find bliss in helping me or helping

4822
02:50:27,269 --> 02:50:26,319
others in general but at least for me

4823
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:27,279
i'm the only one that can feel this

4824
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:28,640
right now so i i don't think i'm

4825
02:50:31,910 --> 02:50:30,960
grateful enough and and

4826
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:31,920
thank you

4827
02:50:36,630 --> 02:50:34,479
for oh my pleasure i think it was the

4828
02:50:39,030 --> 02:50:36,640
buddha who said that expectation is the

4829
02:50:40,469 --> 02:50:39,040
quickest path to suffering so had i

4830
02:50:42,309 --> 02:50:40,479
expected anything from you that would

4831
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:42,319
have been my failure but i'm glad that

4832
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:43,040
yeah

4833
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:45,279
i'm glad that it uh that helped you or

4834
02:50:49,190 --> 02:50:46,960
it impacted you or impressed you or

4835
02:50:51,110 --> 02:50:49,200
whatever it did um

4836
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:51,120
but that's the secret that's the secret

4837
02:50:55,030 --> 02:50:52,960
of how to memorize uh

4838
02:50:55,910 --> 02:50:55,040
german or to learn german using memory

4839
02:50:58,150 --> 02:50:55,920
techniques

4840
02:50:59,190 --> 02:50:58,160
okay i'm gonna get to now some audience

4841
02:51:01,590 --> 02:50:59,200
questions

4842
02:51:03,349 --> 02:51:01,600
okay all right i don't know if you have

4843
02:51:04,630 --> 02:51:03,359
this issue but when i ask people for

4844
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:04,640
audience questions

4845
02:51:09,590 --> 02:51:07,680
i i find it so difficult to read their

4846
02:51:11,590 --> 02:51:09,600
questions i don't know why

4847
02:51:13,030 --> 02:51:11,600
if it's text from a book it's different

4848
02:51:17,269 --> 02:51:13,040
but if it's

4849
02:51:21,349 --> 02:51:19,990
if they're not realizing that i'm

4850
02:51:23,110 --> 02:51:21,359
that it's easier for me to read it

4851
02:51:24,710 --> 02:51:23,120
verbatim and that sometimes it doesn't

4852
02:51:26,630 --> 02:51:24,720
make sense the way that they've written

4853
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:26,640
it or if i'm just

4854
02:51:29,429 --> 02:51:27,920
processing it differently because it's

4855
02:51:31,510 --> 02:51:29,439
an audience question but i have such a

4856
02:51:33,349 --> 02:51:31,520
difficult time with reading audience

4857
02:51:35,190 --> 02:51:33,359
questions i can read quotations

4858
02:51:36,389 --> 02:51:35,200
completely fine from a book but audience

4859
02:51:38,309 --> 02:51:36,399
questions i have a difficult time so

4860
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:38,319
sorry martin if i'm not reading your

4861
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:39,680
entire question

4862
02:51:42,230 --> 02:51:40,880
i'm going to read this has improving

4863
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:42,240
your memory led you to believing there

4864
02:51:50,710 --> 02:51:48,790
well it has changed how i experience

4865
02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:50,720
reality that's for sure

4866
02:51:54,710 --> 02:51:52,399
but back to what we talked about before

4867
02:51:56,389 --> 02:51:54,720
i don't believe things or i try to avoid

4868
02:51:57,429 --> 02:51:56,399
the idea of believing things because why

4869
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:57,439
would i need to believe something that

4870
02:52:02,550 --> 02:51:59,520
was true so it is true

4871
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:02,560
that memory has changed how i experience

4872
02:52:07,030 --> 02:52:05,520
my acts of will in the world and why

4873
02:52:09,269 --> 02:52:07,040
because i have

4874
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:09,279
worked a lot on a particular procedural

4875
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:11,520
training which is when my little mind

4876
02:52:16,630 --> 02:52:14,000
goes oh this sucks or this is a waste of

4877
02:52:18,389 --> 02:52:16,640
time or i hate this damn thing i just

4878
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:18,399
have trained myself is this thought

4879
02:52:23,429 --> 02:52:20,399
useful and you know

4880
02:52:25,269 --> 02:52:23,439
that has changed everything because

4881
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:25,279
i didn't choose to have those thoughts i

4882
02:52:29,030 --> 02:52:26,960
don't have a will in it you know i'm

4883
02:52:31,110 --> 02:52:29,040
working on annihilating it totally if

4884
02:52:33,110 --> 02:52:31,120
that's possible i don't know gary weber

4885
02:52:34,790 --> 02:52:33,120
says it's possible a lot thousands of

4886
02:52:36,230 --> 02:52:34,800
you know people say in their books that

4887
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:36,240
it's possible that you could have

4888
02:52:40,790 --> 02:52:38,640
complete lasting nirvana here on earth

4889
02:52:42,870 --> 02:52:40,800
or whatever nervy kalpa samadhi i think

4890
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:42,880
they call it um so i'm just working on

4891
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:44,640
it just to see if it's possible but i've

4892
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:46,880
let go of the outcome yeah

4893
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:48,720
please give the cliff notes version of

4894
02:52:52,550 --> 02:52:50,800
the ted talk for the audience because

4895
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:52,560
you mentioned this a couple times

4896
02:52:57,030 --> 02:52:54,319
of not finding your thoughts useful or

4897
02:52:59,030 --> 02:52:57,040
asking that question and yeah and how

4898
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:59,040
useful that has been so do you mind

4899
02:53:03,670 --> 02:53:00,880
giving that

4900
02:53:05,349 --> 02:53:03,680
giving giving a quick recap yeah

4901
02:53:07,190 --> 02:53:05,359
well the long and short of it is i have

4902
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:07,200
dealt with mental health issues for a

4903
02:53:13,030 --> 02:53:10,080
very long time and some of them involve

4904
02:53:16,790 --> 02:53:13,040
what is typically called harm ocd and a

4905
02:53:18,469 --> 02:53:16,800
lot of it is just really nasty and uh

4906
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:18,479
i've just suffered with thoughts and

4907
02:53:22,710 --> 02:53:20,399
self-denigration blah blah blah like you

4908
02:53:25,269 --> 02:53:22,720
name it uh and it happens still to this

4909
02:53:26,710 --> 02:53:25,279
day i used to take medication for it and

4910
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:26,720
then i stopped i was doing like a

4911
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,560
biohacking experiment and started using

4912
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:30,880
bulletproof coffee instead of psychiatry

4913
02:53:33,910 --> 02:53:32,399
what year was that

4914
02:53:36,309 --> 02:53:33,920
uh that i stopped psychiatric medicine

4915
02:53:38,469 --> 02:53:36,319
or whatever i tried bulletproof coffee

4916
02:53:41,670 --> 02:53:38,479
oh that would have been 2015

4917
02:53:43,990 --> 02:53:41,680
oh that was fairly recent huh

4918
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:44,000
yeah i i stopped medication in 2015 and

4919
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:46,160
just started doing my own thing to deal

4920
02:53:50,710 --> 02:53:48,000
with mental health issues

4921
02:53:52,630 --> 02:53:50,720
and uh it was risky i did it with doctor

4922
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:52,640
supervision this is not advice to

4923
02:53:57,110 --> 02:53:55,600
anybody but you know i did it what i

4924
02:53:59,910 --> 02:53:57,120
think is the right way with doctor

4925
02:54:01,670 --> 02:53:59,920
supervision and uh also i had a health

4926
02:54:02,870 --> 02:54:01,680
coach and yada yada

4927
02:54:03,990 --> 02:54:02,880
but anyway

4928
02:54:04,870 --> 02:54:04,000
just to get back to what the talk is

4929
02:54:06,950 --> 02:54:04,880
about

4930
02:54:08,870 --> 02:54:06,960
i started to i had always meditated but

4931
02:54:11,510 --> 02:54:08,880
it hadn't really created you know these

4932
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:11,520
masterful experiences except for i had

4933
02:54:15,190 --> 02:54:13,200
these weird experiences of like a bit of

4934
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:15,200
light in the center of my forehead

4935
02:54:18,630 --> 02:54:16,240
sometimes

4936
02:54:20,230 --> 02:54:18,640
and uh i came to brisbane and i met a

4937
02:54:21,590 --> 02:54:20,240
guy

4938
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:21,600
long story but we know each other from

4939
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:23,600
the internet and we were talking about

4940
02:54:26,630 --> 02:54:24,880
atheism and we were talking about

4941
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:26,640
spirituality and he's a

4942
02:54:30,630 --> 02:54:28,240
he has a website called project monkey

4943
02:54:33,269 --> 02:54:30,640
mind and he works a lot on helping

4944
02:54:34,790 --> 02:54:33,279
people with psychiatric issues and etc

4945
02:54:36,309 --> 02:54:34,800
and bringing more mindfulness through

4946
02:54:39,590 --> 02:54:36,319
journaling anyway we're talking about

4947
02:54:41,269 --> 02:54:39,600
this stuff and i said you know

4948
02:54:43,030 --> 02:54:41,279
i'm not gonna he said have you ever

4949
02:54:44,710 --> 02:54:43,040
tried chanting or any of that because

4950
02:54:46,950 --> 02:54:44,720
you can memorize stuff and i said i'm

4951
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:46,960
never gonna do that because i just the

4952
02:54:51,349 --> 02:54:48,560
religious people they're the enemy like

4953
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:51,359
i was really at that time

4954
02:54:55,750 --> 02:54:53,359
this is before uber atheism

4955
02:54:57,590 --> 02:54:55,760
this is before uber 80s yeah i was i was

4956
02:54:59,590 --> 02:54:57,600
i was hook line and sinker

4957
02:55:03,429 --> 02:54:59,600
with the new atheists kind of stuff you

4958
02:55:05,429 --> 02:55:03,439
know us versus them kind of crap and um

4959
02:55:07,670 --> 02:55:05,439
i'm sympathetic to them still but that's

4960
02:55:09,030 --> 02:55:07,680
what the way it was and he just said

4961
02:55:10,790 --> 02:55:09,040
he said to me have you ever heard of

4962
02:55:12,630 --> 02:55:10,800
gary webber and i was like no who the

4963
02:55:15,110 --> 02:55:12,640
hell is that and he said well he used to

4964
02:55:17,190 --> 02:55:15,120
be like you he he he actually

4965
02:55:19,030 --> 02:55:17,200
wanted to find a meditation program to

4966
02:55:20,710 --> 02:55:19,040
stop his own mental thoughts the

4967
02:55:22,070 --> 02:55:20,720
suffering he had extreme suffering and

4968
02:55:23,990 --> 02:55:22,080
somehow he came across the idea of the

4969
02:55:26,070 --> 02:55:24,000
sanskrit he memorized all the sanskrit

4970
02:55:27,110 --> 02:55:26,080
and one day his thoughts went away and i

4971
02:55:29,030 --> 02:55:27,120
was like what do you mean his thoughts

4972
02:55:32,550 --> 02:55:29,040
went away he's like just gone

4973
02:55:34,469 --> 02:55:32,560
and i just said bs right but

4974
02:55:36,710 --> 02:55:34,479
i pride myself a little bit in being a

4975
02:55:38,630 --> 02:55:36,720
skeptic like a true skeptic which i go

4976
02:55:41,670 --> 02:55:38,640
out and investigate so i read gary

4977
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:41,680
weber's books and then i thought

4978
02:55:45,110 --> 02:55:42,479
huh

4979
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:45,120
well i i i know memory techniques i can

4980
02:55:50,309 --> 02:55:47,200
memorize all of this sanskrit i can do

4981
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:50,319
it correctly or quickly and um

4982
02:55:55,110 --> 02:55:52,800
let's see what happens and lo and behold

4983
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:55,120
would you know it

4984
02:56:00,070 --> 02:55:58,560
i i started to feel way better and i

4985
02:56:01,910 --> 02:56:00,080
started to have this tool

4986
02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:01,920
and i started to be tortured less and

4987
02:56:05,830 --> 02:56:03,680
less and less by these thoughts my wife

4988
02:56:08,070 --> 02:56:05,840
noticed it all my friends noticed it my

4989
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:08,080
youtube audience noticed it i was just

4990
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:12,080
freer happier etc and then one day i got

4991
02:56:15,110 --> 02:56:13,680
really mad at the internet and it was

4992
02:56:16,389 --> 02:56:15,120
partly related to that google ad

4993
02:56:18,870 --> 02:56:16,399
experiment that i was telling you about

4994
02:56:20,950 --> 02:56:18,880
yeah yeah nick i almost threw my laptop

4995
02:56:22,710 --> 02:56:20,960
out the window and i just said no no i

4996
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:22,720
go for a walk anyway i go and i sit in

4997
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:24,560
the park and all of a sudden my thoughts

4998
02:56:28,710 --> 02:56:26,720
did disappear and i mean gone

4999
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:28,720
and i was just like what the hell is

5000
02:56:32,710 --> 02:56:29,600
this

5001
02:56:35,349 --> 02:56:32,720
and that touched me so deeply and it's

5002
02:56:37,830 --> 02:56:35,359
it's like a tuning fork was hit

5003
02:56:39,510 --> 02:56:37,840
that still is ringing to this day

5004
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:39,520
and i still have thoughts

5005
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:42,319
but man it's been it's just

5006
02:56:46,710 --> 02:56:44,080
it's paid off i worry about sounding

5007
02:56:49,349 --> 02:56:46,720
like a religious nut but it was um i

5008
02:56:51,190 --> 02:56:49,359
think it's scientifically explainable

5009
02:56:53,830 --> 02:56:51,200
and as weber explains it this is the

5010
02:56:55,990 --> 02:56:53,840
default mode network that is like i i me

5011
02:56:58,630 --> 02:56:56,000
me this is the task positive network

5012
02:56:59,990 --> 02:56:58,640
which is more in the moment flow not too

5013
02:57:02,950 --> 02:57:00,000
concerned about the future not too

5014
02:57:05,269 --> 02:57:02,960
concerned about the past etc more

5015
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:05,279
more aware of the present moment and it

5016
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:07,680
makes total sense so i just have kept

5017
02:57:10,469 --> 02:57:08,880
practicing

5018
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:10,479
and i i

5019
02:57:13,510 --> 02:57:12,160
pretty sure that if you tested it with

5020
02:57:15,990 --> 02:57:13,520
other people it doesn't have to be

5021
02:57:17,349 --> 02:57:16,000
sanskrit but i think there is something

5022
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:17,359
to the knowledge

5023
02:57:20,710 --> 02:57:19,040
because the knowledge in the sanskrit

5024
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:20,720
that i've memorized is just trying to

5025
02:57:26,070 --> 02:57:23,040
remember you to get you to remember this

5026
02:57:27,349 --> 02:57:26,080
is it this moment is it so use it wisely

5027
02:57:29,190 --> 02:57:27,359
you know and that thought that you're

5028
02:57:31,190 --> 02:57:29,200
having it's like a little child it's a

5029
02:57:32,790 --> 02:57:31,200
little boy that's like

5030
02:57:34,950 --> 02:57:32,800
not behaving so

5031
02:57:37,429 --> 02:57:34,960
you know get rid of it the idea that you

5032
02:57:39,830 --> 02:57:37,439
are real it says in the sanskrit is as

5033
02:57:41,830 --> 02:57:39,840
rare as a rabbit with horns which makes

5034
02:57:44,070 --> 02:57:41,840
you laugh when you when you remind

5035
02:57:45,349 --> 02:57:44,080
yourself of the sanskrit but why has it

5036
02:57:47,110 --> 02:57:45,359
come to mind

5037
02:57:48,950 --> 02:57:47,120
because of procedural memory training

5038
02:57:50,550 --> 02:57:48,960
and that's why i think

5039
02:57:51,830 --> 02:57:50,560
and and if you read gary webber between

5040
02:57:53,910 --> 02:57:51,840
the lines that's what he's saying he

5041
02:57:56,230 --> 02:57:53,920
still has planning thoughts he still has

5042
02:57:57,670 --> 02:57:56,240
to you know do whatever people have to

5043
02:57:59,910 --> 02:57:57,680
do as long as they're a meat tube that

5044
02:58:01,750 --> 02:57:59,920
are walking the planet you know

5045
02:58:03,429 --> 02:58:01,760
he's not tortured just not tortured and

5046
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:03,439
i'm not tortured anymore and it's so

5047
02:58:11,269 --> 02:58:09,590
this was around 2015

5048
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:11,279
well this project breaking memory

5049
02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:13,359
started in the the breakthrough started

5050
02:58:16,070 --> 02:58:14,880
in 2017

5051
02:58:17,110 --> 02:58:16,080
but i

5052
02:58:19,190 --> 02:58:17,120
think

5053
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:19,200
i had some help from getting off the

5054
02:58:23,110 --> 02:58:21,200
medicine and i also quit drinking

5055
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:23,120
because i was a i was a lush i mean i

5056
02:58:26,070 --> 02:58:24,960
lived in germany how about psychedelics

5057
02:58:26,950 --> 02:58:26,080
or even

5058
02:58:29,190 --> 02:58:26,960
weed

5059
02:58:30,950 --> 02:58:29,200
marijuana

5060
02:58:33,349 --> 02:58:30,960
yeah i i

5061
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:33,359
i spent a lot of time with those things

5062
02:58:37,349 --> 02:58:34,880
unfortunately i started with it too

5063
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:37,359
young i uh when i was 14 i had a really

5064
02:58:41,670 --> 02:58:39,840
bad experience um

5065
02:58:43,110 --> 02:58:41,680
which was really good in its way as well

5066
02:58:45,349 --> 02:58:43,120
i think it was

5067
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:45,359
i think it had the impact that that a

5068
02:58:48,870 --> 02:58:46,720
lot of people talk about i've never done

5069
02:58:50,230 --> 02:58:48,880
ayahuasca but like i think it had a

5070
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:50,240
similar impact

5071
02:58:53,830 --> 02:58:51,600
basically what happened is i dropped

5072
02:58:55,910 --> 02:58:53,840
double a double dose

5073
02:58:56,870 --> 02:58:55,920
at lunch hour in grade nine

5074
02:58:59,110 --> 02:58:56,880
okay

5075
02:59:01,750 --> 02:58:59,120
and uh double dip blue moon it was

5076
02:59:03,190 --> 02:59:01,760
called that's and i was yeah

5077
02:59:04,469 --> 02:59:03,200
i was fine

5078
02:59:07,269 --> 02:59:04,479
i had to leave school because it was

5079
02:59:10,230 --> 02:59:07,279
getting too intense quite quickly but uh

5080
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:10,240
by about 9 p.m i i thought i had peaked

5081
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:11,520
and was done

5082
02:59:15,030 --> 02:59:13,600
and i went and saw some friends and they

5083
02:59:17,830 --> 02:59:15,040
were smoking something to this day i

5084
02:59:20,469 --> 02:59:17,840
don't know what it is but uh

5085
02:59:23,030 --> 02:59:20,479
it was it was laced maybe with pcp but i

5086
02:59:25,110 --> 02:59:23,040
just took the can and i huffed like you

5087
02:59:26,630 --> 02:59:25,120
wouldn't believe and let me tell you on

5088
02:59:29,110 --> 02:59:26,640
top of the double dip

5089
02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:29,120
yeah that acid was not over i mean my

5090
02:59:31,750 --> 02:59:30,560
friends later told me or i heard

5091
02:59:33,510 --> 02:59:31,760
somewhere that there's a thing a

5092
02:59:34,870 --> 02:59:33,520
phenomenon called roller coaster acid

5093
02:59:36,389 --> 02:59:34,880
which is you can feel like you're peaked

5094
02:59:39,510 --> 02:59:36,399
and back to normal but you haven't

5095
02:59:44,309 --> 02:59:41,510
so anyway somewhere that night i peaked

5096
02:59:47,590 --> 02:59:44,319
but man i i i lived in eternity that

5097
02:59:51,269 --> 02:59:49,110
let's just say i was lucky that i had

5098
02:59:54,150 --> 02:59:51,279
some people who helped me read carlos

5099
02:59:55,910 --> 02:59:54,160
castaneda for example um

5100
02:59:57,750 --> 02:59:55,920
who also had some pretty intense drug

5101
02:59:59,429 --> 02:59:57,760
experiences that helped me contextualize

5102
03:00:00,550 --> 02:59:59,439
it a little bit and from there i got

5103
03:00:02,870 --> 03:00:00,560
into

5104
03:00:04,710 --> 03:00:02,880
you know herman hesse and camus and

5105
03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:04,720
stuff so i had tools to help me but i

5106
03:00:08,469 --> 03:00:07,600
was destroyed i had anxiety for

5107
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:08,479
uh

5108
03:00:13,349 --> 03:00:10,479
that was around age 14 i had really bad

5109
03:00:14,389 --> 03:00:13,359
anxiety until i was about 37 or so

5110
03:00:17,510 --> 03:00:14,399
um

5111
03:00:19,030 --> 03:00:17,520
that's that's that's so strange because

5112
03:00:20,790 --> 03:00:19,040
well i guess if you're 14 that's

5113
03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:20,800
completely different for people who are

5114
03:00:24,790 --> 03:00:22,880
adults psychedelics are salubrious they

5115
03:00:26,950 --> 03:00:24,800
actually help

5116
03:00:30,230 --> 03:00:26,960
oh believe me i before that experience i

5117
03:00:31,830 --> 03:00:30,240
had lots of fun experiences with lsd but

5118
03:00:34,309 --> 03:00:31,840
we used to live beside a guy who was a

5119
03:00:36,309 --> 03:00:34,319
ubc chem major and he would bring home

5120
03:00:37,349 --> 03:00:36,319
lots that he had created in the lab and

5121
03:00:38,710 --> 03:00:37,359
he'd say

5122
03:00:40,230 --> 03:00:38,720
have a try of this and tell me why

5123
03:00:42,469 --> 03:00:40,240
you're saying it's pure

5124
03:00:44,230 --> 03:00:42,479
well yeah that's what he said

5125
03:00:45,750 --> 03:00:44,240
but yeah um

5126
03:00:47,750 --> 03:00:45,760
we would name it for him oh yeah let's

5127
03:00:49,910 --> 03:00:47,760
call this electric dragon and uh yadda

5128
03:00:51,349 --> 03:00:49,920
yadda and that guy you know

5129
03:00:54,150 --> 03:00:51,359
true he's good he's like he's not in

5130
03:00:56,070 --> 03:00:54,160
jail but i never i never told until

5131
03:00:57,670 --> 03:00:56,080
uh until now i mean i've told a few

5132
03:00:59,349 --> 03:00:57,680
people over the years but i don't

5133
03:01:03,269 --> 03:00:59,359
remember his name or who he was but what

5134
03:01:08,150 --> 03:01:05,830
as an aside speaking of of unscrupulous

5135
03:01:09,670 --> 03:01:08,160
people in the educational field there

5136
03:01:10,870 --> 03:01:09,680
was this teacher that i had maybe i'll

5137
03:01:11,910 --> 03:01:10,880
tell the story another time but i'll

5138
03:01:13,190 --> 03:01:11,920
give you

5139
03:01:15,269 --> 03:01:13,200
a quick version of it there's this

5140
03:01:17,750 --> 03:01:15,279
teacher i had who this was back when you

5141
03:01:19,030 --> 03:01:17,760
could burn cds and video games and so on

5142
03:01:21,030 --> 03:01:19,040
and now you can just download them right

5143
03:01:23,110 --> 03:01:21,040
okay so this is

5144
03:01:24,389 --> 03:01:23,120
2004 or so

5145
03:01:26,469 --> 03:01:24,399
and

5146
03:01:27,670 --> 03:01:26,479
he would he i hated the class that i was

5147
03:01:29,990 --> 03:01:27,680
in

5148
03:01:31,830 --> 03:01:30,000
i hated it was plenty of memorization

5149
03:01:35,030 --> 03:01:31,840
that i didn't care about

5150
03:01:36,230 --> 03:01:35,040
maybe if i had taken your lessons i i

5151
03:01:39,910 --> 03:01:36,240
would

5152
03:01:42,389 --> 03:01:39,920
exercise but i saw it as a

5153
03:01:43,830 --> 03:01:42,399
it's an imposition anyway he said okay

5154
03:01:45,110 --> 03:01:43,840
well why don't you first why don't you

5155
03:01:48,389 --> 03:01:45,120
burn me some games and i'll give you

5156
03:01:50,389 --> 03:01:48,399
grades so first of all burning burning

5157
03:01:51,990 --> 03:01:50,399
cds at all is

5158
03:01:54,150 --> 03:01:52,000
illegal and then second he's like i'll

5159
03:01:57,030 --> 03:01:54,160
just give you good grades for it

5160
03:01:58,790 --> 03:01:57,040
anyway okay well i'm well i'm fortunate

5161
03:02:00,950 --> 03:01:58,800
to have him that's teachers are humans

5162
03:02:04,150 --> 03:02:00,960
too right yeah yeah

5163
03:02:06,550 --> 03:02:04,160
okay okay let's get to another question

5164
03:02:08,230 --> 03:02:06,560
sure sure yeah okay someone wants to

5165
03:02:09,750 --> 03:02:08,240
know who are your favorite authors to

5166
03:02:11,670 --> 03:02:09,760
read in german now that brings me back

5167
03:02:14,230 --> 03:02:11,680
to that gary weber i don't know if he's

5168
03:02:16,230 --> 03:02:14,240
german or not but what one book if

5169
03:02:17,910 --> 03:02:16,240
people from this were to take away just

5170
03:02:20,230 --> 03:02:17,920
one book of his which one would you say

5171
03:02:22,309 --> 03:02:20,240
is the most helpful

5172
03:02:24,150 --> 03:02:22,319
oh i i don't think it's one but

5173
03:02:26,150 --> 03:02:24,160
happiness beyond thought and evolving

5174
03:02:27,590 --> 03:02:26,160
beyond thought those two kind of they

5175
03:02:29,269 --> 03:02:27,600
kind of go together

5176
03:02:31,349 --> 03:02:29,279
but if you had to pick one

5177
03:02:33,110 --> 03:02:31,359
just roll the dice i mean i don't know

5178
03:02:35,590 --> 03:02:33,120
yeah each one is fine and which order if

5179
03:02:37,030 --> 03:02:35,600
you could pick both which one would you

5180
03:02:38,790 --> 03:02:37,040
read first

5181
03:02:39,990 --> 03:02:38,800
well in my experience

5182
03:02:41,269 --> 03:02:40,000
and this is what gary weber points out

5183
03:02:42,710 --> 03:02:41,279
in happiness beyond thought don't try to

5184
03:02:44,150 --> 03:02:42,720
reproduce the journey of somebody else

5185
03:02:46,150 --> 03:02:44,160
it's not going to happen so it's like

5186
03:02:48,230 --> 03:02:46,160
irrelevant which order you read them or

5187
03:02:50,150 --> 03:02:48,240
i i can't predict but i read happiness

5188
03:02:51,990 --> 03:02:50,160
beyond thought first i started getting

5189
03:02:54,550 --> 03:02:52,000
some great results out of it but it was

5190
03:02:56,469 --> 03:02:54,560
really a memorizing the script in

5191
03:02:59,670 --> 03:02:56,479
evolving beyond thought where the game

5192
03:03:03,670 --> 03:02:59,680
started to change and that script is

5193
03:03:05,030 --> 03:03:03,680
select selections from the ribhugita and

5194
03:03:07,510 --> 03:03:05,040
i mean if you want to talk about uber

5195
03:03:10,150 --> 03:03:07,520
atheism there it is i mean it's it's the

5196
03:03:12,150 --> 03:03:10,160
implications of that sort of prove the

5197
03:03:14,710 --> 03:03:12,160
proposition of uber atheism that i'm

5198
03:03:17,590 --> 03:03:14,720
saying i've had i personally have

5199
03:03:19,429 --> 03:03:17,600
arrived at from looking into sanskrit

5200
03:03:22,150 --> 03:03:19,439
after that i went back and memorized the

5201
03:03:24,150 --> 03:03:22,160
sanskrit in um happiness beyond thought

5202
03:03:27,269 --> 03:03:24,160
which is from a text called the

5203
03:03:30,150 --> 03:03:27,279
upadesa sharam uh and uh there's some

5204
03:03:31,590 --> 03:03:30,160
extracts there from bhagavad-gita uh in

5205
03:03:33,190 --> 03:03:31,600
any case

5206
03:03:34,309 --> 03:03:33,200
look

5207
03:03:35,750 --> 03:03:34,319
just uh

5208
03:03:37,590 --> 03:03:35,760
if you will if you're interested in that

5209
03:03:39,110 --> 03:03:37,600
kind of stuff give it a try

5210
03:03:41,670 --> 03:03:39,120
keep an open mind but not so open that

5211
03:03:43,429 --> 03:03:41,680
your mind you know falls out and

5212
03:03:45,990 --> 03:03:43,439
i found it incredibly useful i think

5213
03:03:48,630 --> 03:03:46,000
i've got good reasons why why that it's

5214
03:03:49,910 --> 03:03:48,640
useful but the point is

5215
03:03:52,070 --> 03:03:49,920
don't try to reproduce the teacher and

5216
03:03:53,670 --> 03:03:52,080
have a have a goal i had a goal i wanted

5217
03:03:56,309 --> 03:03:53,680
to stop this

5218
03:03:57,910 --> 03:03:56,319
nonsense chatter or at least reduce its

5219
03:03:59,590 --> 03:03:57,920
negative impact in my life and it's

5220
03:04:02,230 --> 03:03:59,600
worked so well

5221
03:04:04,710 --> 03:04:02,240
but i also did the dietary stuff i got

5222
03:04:06,790 --> 03:04:04,720
rid of alcohol i haven't had alcohol or

5223
03:04:08,230 --> 03:04:06,800
drugs for many years now and i feel like

5224
03:04:11,750 --> 03:04:08,240
almost every year i get cleaner and

5225
03:04:14,070 --> 03:04:11,760
cleaner because i drink a lot um

5226
03:04:15,910 --> 03:04:14,080
so i wouldn't pin it all on memorizing

5227
03:04:18,070 --> 03:04:15,920
some sanskrit even though it

5228
03:04:20,389 --> 03:04:18,080
i think i see it i see it the knowledge

5229
03:04:23,349 --> 03:04:20,399
of it has been huge for dealing with

5230
03:04:25,269 --> 03:04:23,359
thoughts because it says in the atmobota

5231
03:04:27,830 --> 03:04:25,279
constant practice

5232
03:04:29,910 --> 03:04:27,840
neutralizes ignorance as a base

5233
03:04:32,070 --> 03:04:29,920
neutralizes an acid purifying the

5234
03:04:33,910 --> 03:04:32,080
individual self so

5235
03:04:35,190 --> 03:04:33,920
basically practicing what knowledge well

5236
03:04:36,710 --> 03:04:35,200
the knowledge that now is the only

5237
03:04:38,870 --> 03:04:36,720
moment what other knowledge could be

5238
03:04:40,790 --> 03:04:38,880
more impactful i don't know but uh

5239
03:04:42,790 --> 03:04:40,800
constantly practicing it is really great

5240
03:04:45,110 --> 03:04:42,800
in terms of german authors

5241
03:04:47,110 --> 03:04:45,120
or german books i mean patrick suskind i

5242
03:04:48,710 --> 03:04:47,120
was very lucky to read german well

5243
03:04:50,550 --> 03:04:48,720
enough that i eventually got to read

5244
03:04:52,309 --> 03:04:50,560
that kurt cobain suggestion from when i

5245
03:04:54,230 --> 03:04:52,319
was a teenager in german absolutely

5246
03:04:56,309 --> 03:04:54,240
amazing book

5247
03:04:58,389 --> 03:04:56,319
there's a book called dating berlin that

5248
03:05:00,070 --> 03:04:58,399
i really like which is written by an

5249
03:05:03,190 --> 03:05:00,080
ex-prostitute

5250
03:05:07,429 --> 03:05:03,200
who had immigrated to berlin from italy

5251
03:05:08,469 --> 03:05:07,439
and uh i really like that book a lot uh

5252
03:05:09,990 --> 03:05:08,479
i don't know if we can swear on your

5253
03:05:11,750 --> 03:05:10,000
channel but it's part two of another

5254
03:05:14,070 --> 03:05:11,760
book that has a has an english swear

5255
03:05:15,670 --> 03:05:14,080
word in it and so i i will allow people

5256
03:05:18,870 --> 03:05:15,680
to search that much i personally don't

5257
03:05:20,870 --> 03:05:18,880
care about the swearing it's more about

5258
03:05:23,349 --> 03:05:20,880
foolish

5259
03:05:24,870 --> 03:05:23,359
worry of the demonetization you know i

5260
03:05:29,429 --> 03:05:24,880
even wanted to

5261
03:05:31,910 --> 03:05:29,439
look up or inquire into covet in the

5262
03:05:34,150 --> 03:05:31,920
vaccine because from what i'm here i'm

5263
03:05:36,150 --> 03:05:34,160
hearing plenty of different

5264
03:05:38,389 --> 03:05:36,160
pieces of information so i thought why

5265
03:05:40,150 --> 03:05:38,399
can't i just speak to an expert

5266
03:05:41,990 --> 03:05:40,160
who is pro covert vaccine and then

5267
03:05:43,429 --> 03:05:42,000
anti-covert vaccine have them on this

5268
03:05:46,630 --> 03:05:43,439
channel and have them duke it out or

5269
03:05:47,990 --> 03:05:46,640
have me be a mediator between them and

5270
03:05:49,590 --> 03:05:48,000
it turns out as you search for

5271
03:05:51,910 --> 03:05:49,600
information as to why the vaccine is

5272
03:05:53,269 --> 03:05:51,920
ineffective so you can find plenty of

5273
03:05:55,349 --> 03:05:53,279
information as the vaccine is what you

5274
03:05:57,030 --> 03:05:55,359
should take but as soon as you do search

5275
03:05:58,469 --> 03:05:57,040
the opposite then

5276
03:06:01,269 --> 03:05:58,479
you don't get much information you only

5277
03:06:03,990 --> 03:06:01,279
get about how anti-vaxxers are

5278
03:06:05,750 --> 03:06:04,000
obscene idiots and

5279
03:06:07,670 --> 03:06:05,760
even on google and it

5280
03:06:09,910 --> 03:06:07,680
and it seems like if you try to talk

5281
03:06:12,550 --> 03:06:09,920
about that the vaccine may not be the

5282
03:06:14,150 --> 03:06:12,560
way to go or or there are more

5283
03:06:15,030 --> 03:06:14,160
criteria it's not as simple as people

5284
03:06:17,030 --> 03:06:15,040
think

5285
03:06:19,750 --> 03:06:17,040
it seems like you get demonetized and

5286
03:06:22,070 --> 03:06:19,760
it's so it it drains me so much anthony

5287
03:06:23,990 --> 03:06:22,080
to think that i can't even explore this

5288
03:06:26,230 --> 03:06:24,000
i want to know for myself i want to know

5289
03:06:28,309 --> 03:06:26,240
i'm not an anti-vaxxer i'm not a provac

5290
03:06:30,389 --> 03:06:28,319
i don't know man i don't know i want to

5291
03:06:33,030 --> 03:06:30,399
know why can't i get people on my

5292
03:06:35,510 --> 03:06:33,040
program to to speak about it without

5293
03:06:37,510 --> 03:06:35,520
having to worry that my day job which is

5294
03:06:41,030 --> 03:06:37,520
this my the money that comes in will be

5295
03:06:42,950 --> 03:06:41,040
dried up and it's

5296
03:06:45,030 --> 03:06:42,960
it it upsets me

5297
03:06:47,750 --> 03:06:45,040
i'm deeply concerned about this and

5298
03:06:50,870 --> 03:06:47,760
i'll tell you why in the year 1600 a guy

5299
03:06:54,309 --> 03:06:50,880
named bruno jordano bruno was burned at

5300
03:06:56,550 --> 03:06:54,319
the stake he was a memory here

5301
03:06:58,790 --> 03:06:56,560
he was a memory wizard he's the guy that

5302
03:07:01,429 --> 03:06:58,800
we get a lot of these techniques from

5303
03:07:04,790 --> 03:07:01,439
he memorized and created memory systems

5304
03:07:07,269 --> 03:07:04,800
that are so powerful and so profound

5305
03:07:08,550 --> 03:07:07,279
and he was burnt at the stake because he

5306
03:07:10,870 --> 03:07:08,560
said hey you know what there's an

5307
03:07:13,030 --> 03:07:10,880
infinity out there and quite possibly

5308
03:07:15,510 --> 03:07:13,040
there are not only infinite planets but

5309
03:07:17,990 --> 03:07:15,520
infinite gods on those planets you know

5310
03:07:19,269 --> 03:07:18,000
and uh that was too much and they

5311
03:07:22,150 --> 03:07:19,279
they killed him

5312
03:07:23,590 --> 03:07:22,160
and as a memory person i i think that

5313
03:07:24,550 --> 03:07:23,600
example of him being burned at that

5314
03:07:26,710 --> 03:07:24,560
stake

5315
03:07:29,590 --> 03:07:26,720
for just saying what he thought

5316
03:07:31,590 --> 03:07:29,600
is very timely or should be more

5317
03:07:33,750 --> 03:07:31,600
on our minds and i made a video myself

5318
03:07:35,750 --> 03:07:33,760
about that when kappa came out and i

5319
03:07:37,349 --> 03:07:35,760
said i said i don't want to direct

5320
03:07:38,870 --> 03:07:37,359
address this issue directly right

5321
03:07:40,950 --> 03:07:38,880
because this issue just keeps on coming

5322
03:07:42,710 --> 03:07:40,960
and coming tip gore when i was a kid put

5323
03:07:44,469 --> 03:07:42,720
parental advisory stickers on everything

5324
03:07:46,790 --> 03:07:44,479
you couldn't buy a heavy metal album

5325
03:07:49,750 --> 03:07:46,800
without being told that it was uh you

5326
03:07:51,670 --> 03:07:49,760
know dangerous or whatever right

5327
03:07:54,070 --> 03:07:51,680
so this issue that's happening now is

5328
03:07:57,990 --> 03:07:54,080
not new it seems to come in waves and so

5329
03:07:59,830 --> 03:07:58,000
forth but the consequences of the of it

5330
03:08:02,150 --> 03:07:59,840
should never have to happen again that

5331
03:08:03,750 --> 03:08:02,160
people are are being burned at the stake

5332
03:08:05,590 --> 03:08:03,760
and they are right now it's just there's

5333
03:08:06,870 --> 03:08:05,600
no fire and there's no pillary but

5334
03:08:11,510 --> 03:08:06,880
there's

5335
03:08:12,469 --> 03:08:11,520
this term symbolic behavior because i

5336
03:08:16,790 --> 03:08:12,479
think it's

5337
03:08:19,030 --> 03:08:16,800
start seeing that this tribalness it

5338
03:08:21,429 --> 03:08:19,040
goes beyond virtue signaling it's much

5339
03:08:22,630 --> 03:08:21,439
deeper than that it's much more nuanced

5340
03:08:26,070 --> 03:08:22,640
there is

5341
03:08:27,190 --> 03:08:26,080
that we could potentially solve about it

5342
03:08:28,630 --> 03:08:27,200
but i don't know how and the

5343
03:08:31,030 --> 03:08:28,640
implications of machines reading

5344
03:08:34,070 --> 03:08:31,040
everything that we're doing all the time

5345
03:08:35,750 --> 03:08:34,080
and making decisions on it in real time

5346
03:08:37,269 --> 03:08:35,760
uh is

5347
03:08:39,349 --> 03:08:37,279
is not what i would have hoped for the

5348
03:08:41,429 --> 03:08:39,359
internet i mean

5349
03:08:43,670 --> 03:08:41,439
it should be the opposite uh

5350
03:08:45,910 --> 03:08:43,680
yeah yeah it is

5351
03:08:47,670 --> 03:08:45,920
it doesn't it's not pleasant to think

5352
03:08:49,269 --> 03:08:47,680
about and

5353
03:08:50,550 --> 03:08:49,279
there's a guy named jonathan pagio who

5354
03:08:52,230 --> 03:08:50,560
has a wonderful channel called the

5355
03:08:54,150 --> 03:08:52,240
symbolic world that you might like if

5356
03:08:55,910 --> 03:08:54,160
you haven't heard of him already yeah

5357
03:08:57,670 --> 03:08:55,920
yeah okay so

5358
03:08:59,190 --> 03:08:57,680
so john okay i was going to recommend

5359
03:09:01,030 --> 03:08:59,200
him i recommend that there's something

5360
03:09:03,349 --> 03:09:01,040
else that reddit apparently is toying

5361
03:09:04,230 --> 03:09:03,359
with not sure if this is true or not not

5362
03:09:07,429 --> 03:09:04,240
sure

5363
03:09:09,269 --> 03:09:07,439
but apparently they're toying with

5364
03:09:10,630 --> 03:09:09,279
they can ban your account yes for

5365
03:09:12,469 --> 03:09:10,640
whatever reason like let's say they

5366
03:09:13,910 --> 03:09:12,479
think you're a white supremacist they'll

5367
03:09:16,070 --> 03:09:13,920
ban you but also

5368
03:09:18,710 --> 03:09:16,080
they're thinking of banning you if

5369
03:09:20,150 --> 03:09:18,720
you've upvoted other people who have

5370
03:09:22,309 --> 03:09:20,160
been banned

5371
03:09:24,710 --> 03:09:22,319
now that to me is another step

5372
03:09:27,429 --> 03:09:24,720
and then it makes you think well man

5373
03:09:29,510 --> 03:09:27,439
what the heck am i supposed

5374
03:09:31,030 --> 03:09:29,520
i know for my film better left than said

5375
03:09:32,950 --> 03:09:31,040
i was called a white supremacist even

5376
03:09:34,790 --> 03:09:32,960
though i'm brown and even though i don't

5377
03:09:36,710 --> 03:09:34,800
even though i admonish white

5378
03:09:38,790 --> 03:09:36,720
supremacists in the film

5379
03:09:41,110 --> 03:09:38,800
it doesn't matter because

5380
03:09:43,110 --> 03:09:41,120
i am apparently going against the

5381
03:09:45,349 --> 03:09:43,120
extreme left and then because you're

5382
03:09:47,429 --> 03:09:45,359
doing that then what you are must be the

5383
03:09:48,230 --> 03:09:47,439
exact opposite which is a fascist and so

5384
03:09:50,710 --> 03:09:48,240
on

5385
03:09:53,030 --> 03:09:50,720
and hopefully you see that i'm not or i

5386
03:09:54,630 --> 03:09:53,040
i hope that the people who are watching

5387
03:09:55,670 --> 03:09:54,640
me for any more than five minutes long

5388
03:09:56,950 --> 03:09:55,680
can

5389
03:09:58,630 --> 03:09:56,960
detect that

5390
03:10:00,870 --> 03:09:58,640
well it doesn't take it takes more than

5391
03:10:02,389 --> 03:10:00,880
five minutes but you understand

5392
03:10:04,070 --> 03:10:02,399
and it's

5393
03:10:06,710 --> 03:10:04,080
it makes me wonder well what if i upload

5394
03:10:08,710 --> 03:10:06,720
some comments about free speech

5395
03:10:10,469 --> 03:10:08,720
and then later on talking about free

5396
03:10:13,349 --> 03:10:10,479
speech becomes a dog whistle quote

5397
03:10:15,030 --> 03:10:13,359
unquote for fascism then am i a fascist

5398
03:10:16,550 --> 03:10:15,040
by association to reddit and then how

5399
03:10:18,870 --> 03:10:16,560
far does that go

5400
03:10:20,710 --> 03:10:18,880
that's uh

5401
03:10:23,349 --> 03:10:20,720
that's tricky that's a

5402
03:10:25,190 --> 03:10:23,359
that's a treacherous situation

5403
03:10:26,389 --> 03:10:25,200
well you know i don't know where it's

5404
03:10:28,870 --> 03:10:26,399
going to go and i don't think anybody

5405
03:10:30,790 --> 03:10:28,880
does but we're already seeing

5406
03:10:32,870 --> 03:10:30,800
there was already two internets anyway

5407
03:10:34,150 --> 03:10:32,880
like with the dark web and so forth and

5408
03:10:36,150 --> 03:10:34,160
so we're just going to end up seeing

5409
03:10:37,830 --> 03:10:36,160
multiple internets i think that i mean

5410
03:10:40,630 --> 03:10:37,840
the implications of it are there's just

5411
03:10:42,550 --> 03:10:40,640
going to be more tribal not less when we

5412
03:10:44,230 --> 03:10:42,560
and i think tim berners-lee now has this

5413
03:10:45,910 --> 03:10:44,240
new idea that it's going to be a new

5414
03:10:46,790 --> 03:10:45,920
internet called solid

5415
03:10:48,389 --> 03:10:46,800
um

5416
03:10:50,309 --> 03:10:48,399
which would hopefully solve some of

5417
03:10:52,630 --> 03:10:50,319
these problems because

5418
03:10:53,750 --> 03:10:52,640
at the core of this i think it seems

5419
03:10:55,750 --> 03:10:53,760
pretty obvious to me but i could be

5420
03:10:57,910 --> 03:10:55,760
wrong is corporate interest and

5421
03:10:59,590 --> 03:10:57,920
corporate interest is you know no way to

5422
03:11:01,670 --> 03:10:59,600
run intellectual

5423
03:11:03,910 --> 03:11:01,680
the intellectual promise of the internet

5424
03:11:07,190 --> 03:11:03,920
to corral search to behave in a

5425
03:11:12,070 --> 03:11:09,110
but then you think well were libraries

5426
03:11:13,910 --> 03:11:12,080
better and no because libraries had even

5427
03:11:15,190 --> 03:11:13,920
more corralling of what was going to be

5428
03:11:17,030 --> 03:11:15,200
in those shelves and what wasn't going

5429
03:11:18,550 --> 03:11:17,040
to be in them so

5430
03:11:20,309 --> 03:11:18,560
you know

5431
03:11:21,429 --> 03:11:20,319
we end up with multiple internet so be

5432
03:11:23,910 --> 03:11:21,439
it but it's not going to be the great

5433
03:11:26,070 --> 03:11:23,920
promise of the oneness that the internet

5434
03:11:28,630 --> 03:11:26,080
provided of this seamless fluidity

5435
03:11:31,590 --> 03:11:28,640
between my question and your answer you

5436
03:11:32,790 --> 03:11:31,600
know um and that's tremendously sad to

5437
03:11:34,070 --> 03:11:32,800
lose when

5438
03:11:36,469 --> 03:11:34,080
if we're going to talk about the omega

5439
03:11:39,110 --> 03:11:36,479
point and all that sort of stuff like

5440
03:11:40,870 --> 03:11:39,120
we had singularity with a with an open

5441
03:11:42,950 --> 03:11:40,880
internet that wasn't

5442
03:11:45,030 --> 03:11:42,960
filled with gatekeepers but

5443
03:11:45,990 --> 03:11:45,040
who knows but they'll there's other ways

5444
03:11:47,990 --> 03:11:46,000
to have

5445
03:11:49,670 --> 03:11:48,000
quote-unquote internets and we'll

5446
03:11:51,349 --> 03:11:49,680
probably look at a future of

5447
03:11:52,790 --> 03:11:51,359
an infinity of them but that's not going

5448
03:11:55,590 --> 03:11:52,800
to i don't think it's going to have the

5449
03:11:57,670 --> 03:11:55,600
gutenberg press impact that this one had

5450
03:12:00,230 --> 03:11:57,680
and could protect i hope to speak i hope

5451
03:12:01,590 --> 03:12:00,240
to speak to tim burnis lee i emailed him

5452
03:12:03,590 --> 03:12:01,600
i would love to get him on this channel

5453
03:12:05,110 --> 03:12:03,600
to talk about the direction of the new

5454
03:12:06,950 --> 03:12:05,120
internet

5455
03:12:09,030 --> 03:12:06,960
oh well okay let's see what some people

5456
03:12:12,150 --> 03:12:09,040
say they say

5457
03:12:14,790 --> 03:12:12,160
that i am living in the set of 2001

5458
03:12:15,990 --> 03:12:14,800
spades space odyssey someone said

5459
03:12:19,590 --> 03:12:16,000
the backgrounds

5460
03:12:21,030 --> 03:12:19,600
that's that's the very good observation

5461
03:12:23,990 --> 03:12:21,040
okay

5462
03:12:25,750 --> 03:12:24,000
then let's see someone says as we're

5463
03:12:26,890 --> 03:12:25,760
talking about hal 2000 or whatever

5464
03:12:28,630 --> 03:12:26,900
that's what that's what comes up

5465
03:12:29,510 --> 03:12:28,640
[Laughter]

5466
03:12:31,590 --> 03:12:29,520
right

5467
03:12:33,670 --> 03:12:31,600
maybe there is a guiding consciousness

5468
03:12:35,269 --> 03:12:33,680
that was a that was a little too on the

5469
03:12:41,349 --> 03:12:35,279
point that reference to come up right

5470
03:12:45,030 --> 03:12:43,910
sentence apprentice is that the name of

5471
03:12:47,349 --> 03:12:45,040
the

5472
03:12:49,190 --> 03:12:47,359
book no that's that's called perfume

5473
03:12:52,150 --> 03:12:49,200
it's desperate nirvana right nirvana

5474
03:12:56,230 --> 03:12:52,160
song yeah it's das parfum in german by

5475
03:13:04,710 --> 03:12:58,550
okay yeah grunui i think is the name of

5476
03:13:08,710 --> 03:13:07,269
okay i'm not gonna take questions from

5477
03:13:09,750 --> 03:13:08,720
the live chat because it doesn't seem

5478
03:13:11,110 --> 03:13:09,760
like

5479
03:13:12,790 --> 03:13:11,120
there are any that i can discern right

5480
03:13:14,389 --> 03:13:12,800
now so i'll take the ones from before

5481
03:13:16,469 --> 03:13:14,399
the audience questions

5482
03:13:19,110 --> 03:13:16,479
many of these i wrongly positioned you

5483
03:13:21,269 --> 03:13:19,120
as someone who

5484
03:13:22,950 --> 03:13:21,279
aids in the memory of mathematicians so

5485
03:13:26,230 --> 03:13:22,960
many of these are

5486
03:13:27,990 --> 03:13:26,240
questions related to math

5487
03:13:30,550 --> 03:13:28,000
we can uh we can talk about that

5488
03:13:32,309 --> 03:13:30,560
formulas memorizing formulas is

5489
03:13:34,070 --> 03:13:32,319
not that difficult if you develop the

5490
03:13:36,630 --> 03:13:34,080
systems to do it

5491
03:13:38,950 --> 03:13:36,640
someone says do drugs enhance cognitive

5492
03:13:42,150 --> 03:13:38,960
performance and if so like which

5493
03:13:44,870 --> 03:13:42,160
that's steve agnew

5494
03:13:46,950 --> 03:13:44,880
uh well steve i mean that's neurotropics

5495
03:13:49,110 --> 03:13:46,960
and all that sort of stuff is

5496
03:13:50,790 --> 03:13:49,120
is an interesting topic

5497
03:13:53,030 --> 03:13:50,800
my position would be

5498
03:13:55,110 --> 03:13:53,040
do your research and consult a doctor

5499
03:13:56,389 --> 03:13:55,120
etc but if you want to improve your

5500
03:13:58,309 --> 03:13:56,399
memory as such and improve your

5501
03:14:01,429 --> 03:13:58,319
cognition as such do it for the long

5502
03:14:03,349 --> 03:14:01,439
term and invest in getting some memory

5503
03:14:04,950 --> 03:14:03,359
skills that enable you to do it without

5504
03:14:06,389 --> 03:14:04,960
drugs because

5505
03:14:07,910 --> 03:14:06,399
you know in my world in my memory

5506
03:14:09,910 --> 03:14:07,920
training world i tell people always be

5507
03:14:11,830 --> 03:14:09,920
like the samurai prepared to execute any

5508
03:14:13,110 --> 03:14:11,840
last move even with your head cut off

5509
03:14:14,870 --> 03:14:13,120
because if you don't have your pills

5510
03:14:15,910 --> 03:14:14,880
what's the use of all your cognitive

5511
03:14:18,070 --> 03:14:15,920
enhancement

5512
03:14:19,590 --> 03:14:18,080
based on pills

5513
03:14:21,110 --> 03:14:19,600
as opposed to

5514
03:14:23,349 --> 03:14:21,120
you know when i showed up at that memory

5515
03:14:25,510 --> 03:14:23,359
competition that we've mentioned i was

5516
03:14:28,229 --> 03:14:25,520
hungover i had a bad

5517
03:14:30,550 --> 03:14:28,239
day with my arthritis i have psoriatic

5518
03:14:32,389 --> 03:14:30,560
arthritis i was jet lagged and i still

5519
03:14:33,990 --> 03:14:32,399
did half as well as a guy who has two

5520
03:14:35,429 --> 03:14:34,000
guinness world records and i never

5521
03:14:37,110 --> 03:14:35,439
competed in a memory card

5522
03:14:38,870 --> 03:14:37,120
congratulations

5523
03:14:42,150 --> 03:14:38,880
so you know that's what i have to say to

5524
03:14:45,110 --> 03:14:42,160
neurotropics for cognitive performance

5525
03:14:47,269 --> 03:14:45,120
regesh or rajesh wants to know how can i

5526
03:14:50,790 --> 03:14:47,279
improve my short term memory or working

5527
03:14:52,870 --> 03:14:50,800
memory any routines any games

5528
03:14:53,910 --> 03:14:52,880
yeah i would build your own games and i

5529
03:14:57,510 --> 03:14:53,920
would

5530
03:15:00,309 --> 03:14:57,520
you to consider memory as more holistic

5531
03:15:01,830 --> 03:15:00,319
than short-term working memory go for

5532
03:15:04,389 --> 03:15:01,840
all the levels of memory so exercise

5533
03:15:08,229 --> 03:15:04,399
your autobiographical your semantic your

5534
03:15:10,309 --> 03:15:08,239
procedural your figural uh episodic etc

5535
03:15:11,830 --> 03:15:10,319
and the best way to get that holistic

5536
03:15:13,830 --> 03:15:11,840
comprehensive training is to build a

5537
03:15:16,469 --> 03:15:13,840
memory palace and memorize some stuff

5538
03:15:18,469 --> 03:15:16,479
using elaborative encoding using

5539
03:15:20,469 --> 03:15:18,479
what i call recall rehearsal and you

5540
03:15:21,590 --> 03:15:20,479
know doing it about four times a week at

5541
03:15:23,429 --> 03:15:21,600
least

5542
03:15:25,750 --> 03:15:23,439
for the next 90 days and you will be

5543
03:15:27,990 --> 03:15:25,760
amazed by what happens

5544
03:15:29,670 --> 03:15:28,000
have you heard of thomas aquinas's art

5545
03:15:31,429 --> 03:15:29,680
of memory

5546
03:15:33,190 --> 03:15:31,439
yes well i don't know that he has a text

5547
03:15:34,950 --> 03:15:33,200
of that but i do know his memory

5548
03:15:36,070 --> 03:15:34,960
writings

5549
03:15:37,429 --> 03:15:36,080
and

5550
03:15:40,389 --> 03:15:37,439
one of the things he says in there is

5551
03:15:42,229 --> 03:15:40,399
that memory favors organization and he

5552
03:15:44,469 --> 03:15:42,239
gives some specific steps about how to

5553
03:15:46,150 --> 03:15:44,479
optimize how you organize memory palaces

5554
03:15:47,990 --> 03:15:46,160
and it's very good

5555
03:15:50,229 --> 03:15:48,000
okay someone wants to know is addiction

5556
03:15:51,990 --> 03:15:50,239
related to memory

5557
03:15:52,870 --> 03:15:52,000
possibly um

5558
03:15:55,190 --> 03:15:52,880
there's certainly going to be a

5559
03:15:57,590 --> 03:15:55,200
procedural memory component

5560
03:16:01,750 --> 03:15:57,600
where you know you get quite addicted to

5561
03:16:05,670 --> 03:16:03,110
but i don't know enough about addiction

5562
03:16:08,790 --> 03:16:05,680
to really comment i know that

5563
03:16:10,790 --> 03:16:08,800
i have some times had addiction to go to

5564
03:16:12,710 --> 03:16:10,800
the gym for example but that's a very

5565
03:16:13,590 --> 03:16:12,720
positive addiction

5566
03:16:14,710 --> 03:16:13,600
so

5567
03:16:16,229 --> 03:16:14,720
i don't know i'm not

5568
03:16:17,830 --> 03:16:16,239
i'm not

5569
03:16:19,830 --> 03:16:17,840
but why is it a positive addiction like

5570
03:16:21,349 --> 03:16:19,840
somehow you get this urge to do it same

5571
03:16:23,670 --> 03:16:21,359
i've developed an urge to practice

5572
03:16:24,630 --> 03:16:23,680
memory or urge to meditate

5573
03:16:26,070 --> 03:16:24,640
uh

5574
03:16:27,750 --> 03:16:26,080
i don't know enough about it but i'm

5575
03:16:29,990 --> 03:16:27,760
sure that its procedural memory is

5576
03:16:31,750 --> 03:16:30,000
related at some level and also external

5577
03:16:33,190 --> 03:16:31,760
cues like you can build external cues

5578
03:16:34,790 --> 03:16:33,200
that help you remember

5579
03:16:36,469 --> 03:16:34,800
memory is not always inside your head it

5580
03:16:37,750 --> 03:16:36,479
can also be in the heads of others and

5581
03:16:39,510 --> 03:16:37,760
in the world

5582
03:16:40,790 --> 03:16:39,520
how long has anthony been practicing his

5583
03:16:43,269 --> 03:16:40,800
memory techniques

5584
03:16:45,110 --> 03:16:43,279
that's from trollop7 and the previous

5585
03:16:46,469 --> 03:16:45,120
question about

5586
03:16:48,870 --> 03:16:46,479
i just want to make sure i get people's

5587
03:16:52,070 --> 03:16:48,880
names in the previous question about is

5588
03:16:54,070 --> 03:16:52,080
addiction related to memory that is from

5589
03:17:00,229 --> 03:16:54,080
mystery bear

5590
03:17:03,590 --> 03:17:02,070
how long have you been practicing your

5591
03:17:05,910 --> 03:17:03,600
memory techniques

5592
03:17:07,990 --> 03:17:05,920
yeah the answer is 2003 is when i

5593
03:17:09,429 --> 03:17:08,000
started and i started very seriously and

5594
03:17:11,030 --> 03:17:09,439
i haven't really started

5595
03:17:13,110 --> 03:17:11,040
uh or since

5596
03:17:15,269 --> 03:17:13,120
i haven't taken any significant long

5597
03:17:17,429 --> 03:17:15,279
pauses since 2003.

5598
03:17:19,030 --> 03:17:17,439
there are a couple more questions but

5599
03:17:20,790 --> 03:17:19,040
i'm going to have to end it there man

5600
03:17:23,269 --> 03:17:20,800
thank you so much for being

5601
03:17:25,030 --> 03:17:23,279
great such a trooper and

5602
03:17:27,110 --> 03:17:25,040
and staying with me for maybe three and

5603
03:17:29,190 --> 03:17:27,120
a half hours so far

5604
03:17:31,429 --> 03:17:29,200
well i i really appreciate the

5605
03:17:32,710 --> 03:17:31,439
opportunity to jam and uh had a blast i

5606
03:17:35,429 --> 03:17:32,720
love what you're doing

5607
03:17:37,190 --> 03:17:35,439
uh and i really um look forward to more

5608
03:17:38,870 --> 03:17:37,200
great stuff on your channel thank you

5609
03:17:41,110 --> 03:17:38,880
man do you have a favorite of all the

5610
03:17:43,110 --> 03:17:41,120
podcasts just so i know i'm always

5611
03:17:45,910 --> 03:17:43,120
interested as to the different guests

5612
03:17:48,070 --> 03:17:45,920
what they like and what they don't like

5613
03:17:50,070 --> 03:17:48,080
um yeah well i like the richard higher

5614
03:17:53,750 --> 03:17:50,080
one i like that you recently did your

5615
03:17:55,429 --> 03:17:53,760
own first ama that was great um

5616
03:17:57,910 --> 03:17:55,439
yeah i mean i just i like the project

5617
03:18:00,550 --> 03:17:57,920
overall i i think it has a focus that's

5618
03:18:02,790 --> 03:18:00,560
kind of rare on the internet and

5619
03:18:03,910 --> 03:18:02,800
uh you managed to have a like variety

5620
03:18:05,590 --> 03:18:03,920
that is still

5621
03:18:07,590 --> 03:18:05,600
sort of focused on uh

5622
03:18:09,429 --> 03:18:07,600
on a good trajectory so

5623
03:18:11,349 --> 03:18:09,439
really amazing

5624
03:18:13,670 --> 03:18:11,359
thank you man

5625
03:18:15,110 --> 03:18:13,680
well well i know what i i know a little

5626
03:18:17,429 --> 03:18:15,120
bit about the hard work that goes into

5627
03:18:19,030 --> 03:18:17,439
it so you know i admire

5628
03:18:20,630 --> 03:18:19,040
that i know

5629
03:18:22,710 --> 03:18:20,640
something from experience about what

5630
03:18:25,590 --> 03:18:22,720
goes what goes into it and then having

5631
03:18:27,750 --> 03:18:25,600
that sort of ability to balance focus

5632
03:18:28,710 --> 03:18:27,760
and variety is very challenging so

5633
03:18:30,469 --> 03:18:28,720
thank you

5634
03:18:32,229 --> 03:18:30,479
i appreciate it this is a great time for

5635
03:18:34,870 --> 03:18:32,239
me to mention for people who want to see

5636
03:18:38,790 --> 03:18:34,880
more conversations like this that i do

5637
03:18:40,389 --> 03:18:38,800
have a patreon it's patreon.com

5638
03:18:42,710 --> 03:18:40,399
and it doesn't seem like it but each

5639
03:18:44,309 --> 03:18:42,720
dollar helps every single patient sorry

5640
03:18:46,229 --> 03:18:44,319
patient patron

5641
03:18:48,469 --> 03:18:46,239
every single patron helps that's not a

5642
03:18:51,349 --> 03:18:48,479
pair of practices every single one helps

5643
03:18:54,070 --> 03:18:51,359
and i i even tell my wife like i'm i'm

5644
03:18:55,429 --> 03:18:54,080
being honest each one i'm like babe babe

5645
03:18:57,429 --> 03:18:55,439
look at this there's someone to the page

5646
03:18:58,550 --> 03:18:57,439
and she's like oh my gosh babe even if

5647
03:19:01,030 --> 03:18:58,560
it's a dollar

5648
03:19:03,269 --> 03:19:01,040
but either way thank you so much to the

5649
03:19:05,110 --> 03:19:03,279
people who who do donate and anthony

5650
03:19:06,870 --> 03:19:05,120
what do you need what do you have to

5651
03:19:10,070 --> 03:19:06,880
plug

5652
03:19:11,830 --> 03:19:10,080
supporting or

5653
03:19:13,750 --> 03:19:11,840
whatever i mean there's many ways to

5654
03:19:15,429 --> 03:19:13,760
support sharing stuff getting involved

5655
03:19:17,110 --> 03:19:15,439
in the comments you know training the

5656
03:19:19,750 --> 03:19:17,120
robots to care

5657
03:19:21,830 --> 03:19:19,760
about this i would just uh

5658
03:19:22,710 --> 03:19:21,840
double down on whatever you can do and

5659
03:19:24,070 --> 03:19:22,720
and

5660
03:19:25,110 --> 03:19:24,080
see the many ways that you can

5661
03:19:26,469 --> 03:19:25,120
contribute

5662
03:19:28,070 --> 03:19:26,479
i think one of the biggest problems that

5663
03:19:29,590 --> 03:19:28,080
we have is that

5664
03:19:31,590 --> 03:19:29,600
i mean maybe it's an 80 20 rule that

5665
03:19:33,190 --> 03:19:31,600
governs the universe but most of the

5666
03:19:35,030 --> 03:19:33,200
people who are benefiting the most are

5667
03:19:38,309 --> 03:19:35,040
seem to be contributing the least and

5668
03:19:39,429 --> 03:19:38,319
then you have like this core 20 who just

5669
03:19:41,670 --> 03:19:39,439
contribute like it's because it's

5670
03:19:43,190 --> 03:19:41,680
nothing to them right and it almost it

5671
03:19:46,070 --> 03:19:43,200
would almost be nice to see that

5672
03:19:47,670 --> 03:19:46,080
switched somehow where

5673
03:19:49,670 --> 03:19:47,680
the people would really get that that

5674
03:19:51,110 --> 03:19:49,680
every penny really does count especially

5675
03:19:52,150 --> 03:19:51,120
when you have all these forces against

5676
03:19:54,630 --> 03:19:52,160
you so

5677
03:19:56,469 --> 03:19:54,640
and it helps you google me

5678
03:19:59,510 --> 03:19:56,479
you can google me i'm not here to pitch

5679
03:20:01,750 --> 03:19:59,520
but uh yeah please just please plug

5680
03:20:03,750 --> 03:20:01,760
yourself and galactic mma or galactus

5681
03:20:05,990 --> 03:20:03,760
mma says the hair looks great that's why

5682
03:20:09,590 --> 03:20:06,000
i asked you put a smiley face

5683
03:20:11,190 --> 03:20:09,600
okay oh so thank you just i just well i

5684
03:20:13,349 --> 03:20:11,200
assume that person doesn't want you to

5685
03:20:15,030 --> 03:20:13,359
think that he was being sarcastic so i

5686
03:20:19,190 --> 03:20:15,040
was

5687
03:20:20,309 --> 03:20:19,200
so anthony what do you have to promote

5688
03:20:21,510 --> 03:20:20,319
where can the audience find out more

5689
03:20:23,030 --> 03:20:21,520
about you

5690
03:20:24,389 --> 03:20:23,040
i promote memory as such so if you're

5691
03:20:26,070 --> 03:20:24,399
interested in improving your memory just

5692
03:20:28,469 --> 03:20:26,080
search memory you can search your memory

5693
03:20:29,469 --> 03:20:28,479
and anthony i'm sure i come up but my

5694
03:20:31,590 --> 03:20:29,479
website is

5695
03:20:34,790 --> 03:20:31,600
magneticmemorymethod.com and i have a

5696
03:20:35,990 --> 03:20:34,800
youtube channel and uh

5697
03:20:37,429 --> 03:20:36,000
yeah

5698
03:20:40,229 --> 03:20:37,439
i would just encourage people to really

5699
03:20:43,590 --> 03:20:40,239
think deeply about your memory and see

5700
03:20:45,110 --> 03:20:43,600
that probably some memory fitness

5701
03:20:46,870 --> 03:20:45,120
is going to contribute more to your life

5702
03:20:48,630 --> 03:20:46,880
than you can imagine it's not the magic

5703
03:20:50,950 --> 03:20:48,640
bullet that cures everything but your

5704
03:20:52,950 --> 03:20:50,960
consciousness i think is produced

5705
03:20:54,150 --> 03:20:52,960
in large part in collaboration with your

5706
03:20:56,309 --> 03:20:54,160
memory so

5707
03:20:58,229 --> 03:20:56,319
if you want to jam on those topics then

5708
03:21:00,630 --> 03:20:58,239
you know magnetic memorymethod.com is my

5709
03:21:03,030 --> 03:21:00,640
headquarters on the internet

5710
03:21:05,510 --> 03:21:03,040
thank you so much i do have a personal

5711
03:21:07,110 --> 03:21:05,520
another plug i've been told i need to

5712
03:21:09,030 --> 03:21:07,120
mention this more we have itunes we have

5713
03:21:11,030 --> 03:21:09,040
spotify we have google play

5714
03:21:13,110 --> 03:21:11,040
and sorry google podcast for this

5715
03:21:15,030 --> 03:21:13,120
podcast and i only talk about the

5716
03:21:16,870 --> 03:21:15,040
youtube channel but

5717
03:21:18,229 --> 03:21:16,880
if ever you're listening or you want to

5718
03:21:20,229 --> 03:21:18,239
listen on those platforms please do

5719
03:21:21,429 --> 03:21:20,239
leave a review because it helps

5720
03:21:23,990 --> 03:21:21,439
and

5721
03:21:26,630 --> 03:21:24,000
making census says that he left patreon

5722
03:21:28,950 --> 03:21:26,640
he uses paypal to donate i do also have

5723
03:21:30,550 --> 03:21:28,960
a paypal on the youtube i don't know

5724
03:21:31,830 --> 03:21:30,560
what it's called about or community page

5725
03:21:33,190 --> 03:21:31,840
you'll see it

5726
03:21:34,469 --> 03:21:33,200
okay anthony because i don't want it to

5727
03:21:35,990 --> 03:21:34,479
just be about me what else can you

5728
03:21:38,309 --> 03:21:36,000
promote one more item just to make it

5729
03:21:40,309 --> 03:21:38,319
even

5730
03:21:42,229 --> 03:21:40,319
well i i really appreciate that people

5731
03:21:43,670 --> 03:21:42,239
have been finding my tedx talk i don't

5732
03:21:44,870 --> 03:21:43,680
necessarily know why that it sort of

5733
03:21:47,429 --> 03:21:44,880
shot up but i

5734
03:21:49,510 --> 03:21:47,439
i guess i would my ego would like to see

5735
03:21:51,830 --> 03:21:49,520
it shoot up even more because i see it

5736
03:21:55,190 --> 03:21:51,840
helping so many people

5737
03:21:56,950 --> 03:21:55,200
and it will be in the description

5738
03:21:58,870 --> 03:21:56,960
the book version of that tedx is called

5739
03:22:00,950 --> 03:21:58,880
the victorious mind how to master memory

5740
03:22:02,309 --> 03:22:00,960
meditation and mental well-being

5741
03:22:03,510 --> 03:22:02,319
and

5742
03:22:06,309 --> 03:22:03,520
yeah if you want to read that that's

5743
03:22:07,750 --> 03:22:06,319
that's great but i'm happy to uh if

5744
03:22:09,590 --> 03:22:07,760
anybody wants that they can't afford it

5745
03:22:11,269 --> 03:22:09,600
i can give them a copy of that that are

5746
03:22:13,590 --> 03:22:11,279
watching this or listening to this or

5747
03:22:16,389 --> 03:22:13,600
whatever just get in touch uh

5748
03:22:17,910 --> 03:22:16,399
because the stakes are high memory

5749
03:22:18,790 --> 03:22:17,920
really helped me

5750
03:22:21,030 --> 03:22:18,800
not

5751
03:22:24,229 --> 03:22:21,040
annihilate myself at the end of the day

5752
03:22:26,150 --> 03:22:24,239
and i'm glad that i didn't even if

5753
03:22:28,550 --> 03:22:26,160
i'm not you know so convinced that

5754
03:22:29,990 --> 03:22:28,560
there's any uh reason that anything is

5755
03:22:32,550 --> 03:22:30,000
existing and that there's no you know

5756
03:22:34,229 --> 03:22:32,560
purpose behind anything etc but

5757
03:22:36,229 --> 03:22:34,239
in terms of coping with the world has

5758
03:22:39,349 --> 03:22:36,239
been the biggest thing for me to

5759
03:22:41,269 --> 03:22:39,359
to be able to use memory to refine my

5760
03:22:43,349 --> 03:22:41,279
ability to be in the moment and deal

5761
03:22:45,030 --> 03:22:43,359
with whatever comes and so i'm pretty

5762
03:22:47,030 --> 03:22:45,040
devoted to helping others who want to do

5763
03:22:49,190 --> 03:22:47,040
the same and uh

5764
03:22:50,870 --> 03:22:49,200
so yeah it helps me every penny helps if

5765
03:22:53,349 --> 03:22:50,880
you buy that book of course and it tells

5766
03:22:54,950 --> 03:22:53,359
amazon to show it to more people but uh

5767
03:22:56,630 --> 03:22:54,960
if you can't for whatever reason reach

5768
03:22:58,229 --> 03:22:56,640
out and i will get you a copy

5769
03:23:00,070 --> 03:22:58,239
i recommend it i started reading it

5770
03:23:01,590 --> 03:23:00,080
today in preparation for this and i

5771
03:23:03,269 --> 03:23:01,600
thought i could finish it in about 30

5772
03:23:05,510 --> 03:23:03,279
minutes

5773
03:23:07,030 --> 03:23:05,520
i wasn't able to and i definitely

5774
03:23:08,550 --> 03:23:07,040
wouldn't have been able to retain it but

5775
03:23:11,110 --> 03:23:08,560
i recommend it from what i've read so

5776
03:23:12,469 --> 03:23:11,120
far thank you anthony hope to see you

5777
03:23:13,990 --> 03:23:12,479
again and

5778
03:23:15,269 --> 03:23:14,000
thank you for being so generous with

5779
03:23:16,710 --> 03:23:15,279
your time